Nerf HX

[Gurnisson]

But HX deals just too much damage, considering it's own risk/cost

I believe (anyone can confirm?) they added a speed bonus based on your horse's movement for ranged on horseback. Removing it from HX, and keeping it for HA/HT without touching anything else could possibly even it a bit more out.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I believe (anyone can confirm?) they added a speed bonus based on your horse's movement for ranged on horseback. Removing it from HX, and keeping it for HA/HT without touching anything else could possibly even it a bit more out.

No please no, unless of course it was only positively removed, allowing HX to ride fullspeed in the other direction while still dealing full damage wouldn't exactly be what I'd consider a nerf.

[Paul]

Speed bonus is relatively low for high velocity projectile weapons. It's more effective for mounted throwers because the movement speed has to be in the area of the shot speed for a big bonus. Furthermore afaik one usually don't shot while riding at top speed because of the accuracy penalty.

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Calc for shooting point blank with mundane light crossbow/steel bolts at a stationary target while riding at top speed on a champion courser:

projectile_velocity=v_p=item_shoot_speed * 1.2=44*1.2m/s=53m/s
riding_speed=v_r=12m/s (champion courser with 10 riding - old test data)
initial_damage=d₀=46+6=52

final_damage=d=d₀*[(v_p+v_r)/v_p]^1.9
d=52*[(53m/s+12m/s)/53m/s]^1.9≈52*1.23^1.9≈52*1.47=77

So on top speed(12m/s) on a champ courser with 10 riding one gets an increase of about 50%. More realistic are speeds around 6m/s becasue of the accuracy, which lead to increases of about 23%. Seems fine to me.

For comparision the same calc for a mounted thrower(4 PT,  4 HA, 100 active wpf) using javelins:

v_p=item_shoot_speed * sqrt((PT * 0.1) + 1.0)*1.2=19*sqrt(1.4)*1.2m/s≈27m/s
v_r=12m/s
d₀=33*(PT * 0.1 + 1.0)*(HA * 0.019 + 0.8)≈40

d=40*[(27m/s+12m/s)/27m/s]^1.9≈40*2.01≈80
Here the damage is doubled.

[Teeth]

So a 50% damage increase for a bolt velocity increase of 23%? I find that quite a lot, more than I expected. Also, with the accuracy of 5 HA, 189 wpf HX, which is the usual build, full speed shooting is quite common and viable.

[bruce]

I find that HT is very balanced class at the moment, i am able to post good scores, but what gets me is sometimes i can be 1 hitting tincans but other times it takes me 3 throwing lances or more to kill him. But in my opinion of playing the two classes. HA is so more over powered than  HT, i have to concentrate 10x harder to do well with HT while with HA with the crosshair being so small it is  a very easy class.

Upkeep is killing me with mounted throwing. Every round, one stack of javelins break, and it seems more difficult to upkeep (with javelins) then a HX.

[Jarlek]

Upkeep is killing me with mounted throwing. Every round, one stack of javelins break, and it seems more difficult to upkeep (with javelins) then a HX.

While you are waiting, try the franciscas as HT. They are way cheaper and get much better speed bonus than the javelins.

[bruce]

While you are waiting, try the franciscas as HT. They are way cheaper and get much better speed bonus than the javelins.

But... style!

[Jarlek]

But... style!

Exactly! You get to use badass axes over lameass spears!

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Ok, spears are pretty cool too, but not as cool as axes

[woody]

This is a game played purely for fun and spectating while a hx rides round and round for 3 mins at the end of each round is dire for 95% of people on server. Not for balance, realism or anything else but purely to reduce total bloody tedium get rid of them.

[sdfjkln]

This is a game played purely for fun and spectating while a hx rides round and round for 3 mins at the end of each round is dire for 95% of people on server. Not for balance, realism or anything else but purely to reduce total bloody tedium get rid of them.

I think they should just change how flags spawn, why not just have flags always spawn at 4 minutes every round? That would cut down on any class that is delaying.

[Joker86]

The suggestion is as old as Moses, but it would actually require some time of the developers who are currently occupied with M:BG. Mod is ded. 

[sdfjkln]

The suggestion is as old as Moses, but it would actually require some time of the developers who are currently occupied with M:BG. Mod is ded. 

Get the guy who is doing seige beta to do it.

[Kirman]

The difference between HA and HX is when a ha aims at me i just dance to dodge arrows but when its a hx i try to find a place to cover. Cause hx deals a lot more damage than a ha. I think it should be otherwise. Maybe reducing reload speed on horseback can solve the problem.

[Berserkadin]

I can't spam against all other classes and fight them on my own terms

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[Tindel]

There are few horses if any on siege server, so its a solution to your problem right there!