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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2013, 02:21:40 pm »
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The assumption that we are not dealing with wrongdoings, and that we are all sticking together, working against the community and laughing when they feel mistreated is simply wrong.

We take stuff like this serious, but we don't do public lynching; we have no intention of fueling flamewars, and handle matters like this internally. This starts with a talk/slap on the wrist, to more severe actions on multiple violations.

(this is more a reply in general, not to this situation per se. What I'm saying is keep reporting it when you feel mistreated, but don't expect us to take instant public actions. )

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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2013, 02:24:49 pm »
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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2013, 02:32:00 pm »
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Hogard`? Or something... Final Fury game? 3 characters, left to right movement beat-them-up button smasher. Spent all my pocket moneys as a kid, playing this at local arcade...
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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2013, 02:37:49 pm »
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Hagar from Final Fight?

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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2013, 02:53:03 pm »
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chadz, you're out of your gourd bro.
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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2013, 03:03:21 pm »
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my what

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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2013, 03:06:18 pm »
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my what

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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2013, 03:11:36 pm »
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Final Fight was my favorite game when I was a kid.  First game I got on the SNES because one birthday I spent 40 dollars in tokens playing Final Fight in the arcade. 

Here is what I know about Haggar.

MIKE HAGGAR

Birthdate: September 3, 1941 (40 years old during MB, which was 1
year before elections, which was in 1982 according to FF:SW, retcon of
FF1's date or not!)
Age: 50 during FF2 prior to retcon; 46-47 with retcon
Height: 202 cm
Weight: 140 kg (MB series); 121 kg (FF series); 122 kg in FFT
Hails from, native place & stage: New York City, Manhattan, America
Likes: curry rice, hamburgers
Dislikes: crime
Hobby: being the mayor
Favorite/main attacks: screw piledriver, double lariat
MB-era wrestling federation:  AWF (American Wrestling Federation?)
MB & SMB specialty move: piledriver
MB-era nickname: "Mayor"


Muscle Bomber:  Mike "Macho" Haggar was a pro-wrestler and in the middle of elections [Official].  That's about it, really, since the game didn't even have character specific endings.


Super Muscle Bomber:  See above.


Final Fight One:  Haggar is now the mayor of the crime capital, Metro City.  He vows to clean up the place, and refuses to accept the bribes of the controlling gang, Mad Gear.  When Mad Gear hears about his
plans, they take immediate action and kidnap his daughter Jessica.  They attempt to use Jessica to blackmail Haggar.  With the help of Jessica's childhood friend Cody, and Cody's friend Guy, Haggar manages to defeat Mad Gear and send their leader Belger flying out the window of a tall sI love youcraper to his death, and Haggar was reunited with his daughter [From the game].

Street Fighter Zero 2:  Rolento, ex-member of Mad Gear, has started up his own army and laid siege to Metro City with tanks!  Fortunately, it didn't last too long [Conjecture based off in-game storylines].


Final Fight 2:  Mad Gear is still alive and they're trying to make a comeback.  Guy is away training to be a bushin master, but Mad Gear kidnapped his fiance, Rena, and her father, Genryusai.  Haggar, along with Rena's sister Maki and a boarder staying over at Haggar's, Carlos, must hit the streets again and defeat Mad Gear, this time around the world.  Eventually the new leader of Mad Gear Retu is sent flying out the window (Oh Mad Gear. When will you learn that windows are your downfall?) and Rena and Genryusai are saved [From the game].  Mad Gear is brought down, and eventually finally collapses within a year [Official].

FF2 Guidebook bio:
Was at one time a street fighter, presently he works hard as Metro City's mayor. For previous work, in order to rescue kidnapped daughter Jessica, together with Guy, and Cody, a struggle unfolded with Mad Gear. Recently in order to rescue Guy's master and his daughter kidnapped by the remnants of Mad Gear, he's come to travel the world over.


Final Fight Tough:  Will the crime never end?  A new gang, the Skull Cross Gang has risen to take Mad Gear's place.  Haggar, along with Metro City Special Crimes Unit member Lucia and Dean, who hates the Skull Cross Gang, must again hit the streets and clean up the city.  Unfortunately by the end, even though the gang was brought down, the city was left in ruins (of course, the city was in ruins since before Final Fight One anyway, though...). [From the game]

Haggar
Characteristic: very powerful, but very slow.
Sure-kill technique: spinning clothesline
Weapon of preference: steel pipe
Special ability: wrestling prowess to execute air throws
Super move: slam fest


Final Fight Streetwise:  It's been a long time since Haggar has been mayor (Haggar officially stopped being mayor at 1992, presumably because he was burnt out or it was simply too much work to be mayor and bust heads at the same time).  Kyle goes to see Haggar after seeing him in one of Cody's photos, and after Kyle helps him bust up some Punx at Mike's Maritime Maintenance pier, he teaches Kyle some moves and gives him some advice.  Haggar later is with Guy attempting to interrogate the scientist behind the drug GLOW, trying to be a 'good cop' to Guy's 'bad cop' and keeping Guy from using overly drastic measures.  Chang implicates Bella as the mastermind behind GLOW, and Haggar eventually has to let her go to help all of the people addicted to it. [from the game] (yea, Haggar doesn't appear in the ending.  Maybe it got chopped like many other things did)


Where he is now:  Probably still running Mike's Maritime Maintenance as well as his gym, Mike's Mat and Muscle, as well as beating up any punks who try to take over his pier and helping out where he can.
Kyle does say when he first sees Haggar in the game that he suspects Haggar will someday rise up again to try to fix Metro City with his fists.


Miscellaneous Facts and Notes

    FF1 Bio: Formerly a star of the professsional wrestling circuit,
Haggar is currently the mayor of Metro City.  Extremely powerful, Haggar's
specialty is executing wrestling moves like the back drop or the pile
driver.

Haggar's wife Nancy has died since before Final Fight 1 (and probably before
Muscle Bomber even), so Jessica is the only close family he has left.  This
is why he is really close to Jessica.

    Haggar was NOT "newly elected" in Final Fight One in the Japanese
verson.  That was added to the overseas version.  Haggar is simply
"The mayor of Metro City" in the Japanese version, which makes more
sense, given that he was elected to mayor 5 years before FF1.

Lucky Colt was picked up by Haggar and trained under him along with Aleksey
Zalazof (Both from Muscle Bomber).

    From a Muscle Bomber Flyer: How much entertainment cannot come out from
before him, a beat-out fight is his distinctive characteristic.

    In addition to wrestler, Haggar was also a street fighter before he
became mayor.  Dunno if that means he was in any Street Fighter tournaments
before SF1 (although it should be noted that the Street Fighter tournaments
aren't actually called "Street Fighter tournaments" in the storyline).

    He’s 40 years old during Muscle Bomber.

    He puts a lot of effort/power into maintaining the town's public order
and keeping the peace.  He has a natural sense of justice and power.

    For more on Haggar and Zangief, see Zangief's bio.

    For Final Fight Tough, Haggar gets an insanely long mullet for some
reason...

    Official statement is that he stopped being mayor two years after
Street Fighter Zero 3 (which would be 1992, which is also likely 1 year
after Final Fight Tough).  I don't know if he lost the election or simply
decided to retire from it (possibly because being mayor and busting heads
at the same time was too much work).  I suspect the latter, given that
people still seem to like Haggar in Streetwise (as opposed to hating
him enough to vote him out of office) and Haggar doesn't seem bitter
whatsoever about not being mayor anymore (in fact, he laughs to himself
good-naturedly when he tells Kyle, "You probably don't remember me.  Not
many people do, these days").  Perhaps he simply reached the maximum
legal term one may serve as mayor (he was mayor for exactly 10 years,
going by retconned age/date for elections during Muscle Bomber as well
as his Streetwise Election poster and the All About Capcom statement
of when his mayorship ended).

    Streetwise Website:  Once mayor of Metro City, Mike Haggar hates what
crime has done to it.  Yet, the legendary muscleman stays because of his
idealistic love for what the city once was, and hopefully could again be.
Though far from his years of power in City Hall, Haggar does what he can
to keep peace in his own corner of town.  And he keeps himself in solid
shape by training would-be pit fighters at his own gym, "Mike's Mat and
Muscle".

    His name was mispelled as Hagger in most press-releases for Streetwise,
but it was corrected by the time the game came out and is Haggar in both
the game and the manual.

    Haggar lay low after he left the mayorship according to Kyle's journal.
He manages Mike's Maritime Maintenance at the pier and his gym is Mike's
Mat and Muscle.

    In Final Fight Streetwise, a poster in Mike Haggar's gym reads "Haggar
for mayor in '82. Fighting for a safer Metro City."  Haggar was stated to
be in the middle of elections for Muscle and Super Muscle Bomber, and going
by officially stated age dates during Muscle Bomber and Final Fight One, then
taking into account that FF1's date was retconned to be in 1987 instead of
1989, this fits in perfectly with when Super Muscle Bomber likely occurred
(1982).

    Haggar seems to have kept in touch with both Guy and Cody by Streetwise.
Kyle picks up his message on his answering machine where he asks Cody if
he wants to basically hang out and get some drinks, and Haggar doesn't give
any indications that he hasn't seen Guy in a long time in the brief scene
where he and Guy are interrogating Chang.

    It is never directly stated how Haggar reacted to Cody getting thrown
in jail all the time.  Haggar got Lucia cleared of that corruption charge,
so you'd think he'd give Cody a mayoral pardon as well, but... I imagine
Cody probably didn't need one, given that it was stated that he got thrown
into jail and then simply punched his way out on more than one occasion.
Given that Streetwise showed that Haggar continued to hang out with Cody,
Haggar probably didn't bear any ill will to Cody for busting out of jail
so often, but when I think about it, this might be where Cody's dislikes
of "Haggar's lectures" come from (especially since I'm pretty sure that
dislike was added for Cody's SFZ3 bio).

    Far as I know, it's also never stated why Haggar has to go out to
the streets to bust punks himself instead of leaving it to the police.
Of course, police in general in Final Fight are always either portrayed
as corrupt (Edi. E and Dave) or simply over-tasked (Sgt. Sims and his men.
Other mini-quests in Streetwise show that cops are simply outnumbered
and outmanned in most of the things they try to do as well which is why
Kyle often has to help him out.  ...leading to cash rewards, of course)
so it is likely that Haggar simply couldn't rely on them.  And the one
police person he could rely on for help he had to clear of a corruption
charge (Lucia).

    Haggar probably buried the hatchet with Two.P.  You never see 2-Ill and
Haggar interact, but 2-Ill casually says "Oh, you mean Mike Haggar's place!"
to Kyle as if 2-Ill knows Haggar well and without a tone of "Haggar keeps
kicking my butt!  Eek!" in his voice.  Not that I know if there was a
hatchet in the first place but I imagine Haggar introduced Two.P's head
to the pavement a few times during Final Fight One (not that I can be
sure, what with Two.P just being a normal enemy).

    He mentions to Kyle that he still has some friends in the Metro City
Police in Streetwise that he'll try to get to help in searching for Cody,
but it's never brought up again and doesn't go anywhere.  I wonder if Lucia
was intended to be in the game.

Haggar would be pretty darn old by Streetwise if it's in 2006, around 64.
This is probably why they specifically emphasized in his official bio that
he 'keeps himself in solid shape' in order to excuse how he still manages
to be so strong despite his age.  Kinda funny imagining a muscular Oro
or Gen type, though.
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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2013, 03:13:57 pm »
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^ the heck?

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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2013, 03:18:25 pm »
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^ the heck?

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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2013, 03:21:54 pm »
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I understand you don't want to do any sort of public lynching, a simple "gotcha, we're looking into it" is all that is needed...we don't need to know how many blowies Shik had to give to retain his position  :P 

I believe Arathian was disappointed because of the total lack of response (as we've seen in other threads that are massively game breaking, like siege equipment being broken in strategus).   A simple "issue noted, working to address" is good enough for 99% of the community.

*EDIT* there's other issues i'm forgetting about that are pretty serious right now, like the 1/3rd attack rule in strat, if a city (Narra) has 30,000+ troops and 3000 population, someone would need to attack with 11,000 troops, and you can only burn through 1600 in the time allowed (maybe 2000 if everyone's rushing to their deaths, but the timer will still creep up on you)
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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2013, 03:28:10 pm »
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Yes communicating that something is happening, if not to the public but to the reporter would help to quell such dissent.
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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2013, 03:30:36 pm »
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Whilst I agree on devs/mods not getting involved in public debates on specific subjects/complaints.  There does still need to be acknowledgement of the complaints/issues and then closure once the matter is dealt with even if it is just a simple "This has now been dealt with internally" or "Case Closed"

The problem is not necessarily the devs/mods as individuals though.  It could be down to the processes (or lack thereof) by which they act.  The only properly functional process we seem to have is the unban/ban section where people write unban/ban requests/essays and then a mod/admin comes along and either accepts or rejects it.  This works, so why not apply it elsewhere too.
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Re: Moderators in this community
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2013, 04:05:46 pm »
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Well, once the "liaison" or "community proxy" is chosen, that issue will be solved. Steps do seem to be being made in the correct direction, just slowly.
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