Covered Flags

[MURDERTRON]

So.. it would be better for the entire battle to PAUSE, and destroy siege tower?! Giving the defenders a chance to fully re spawn and regroup SINCE they did OUTNUMBER you with tickets... and possibly cost you the battle when you were winning at that point and the battle was lost on our side for sure... Wouldnt you be on here crying about how the admins stopped the battle, gave the defenders a chance to regroup, and then they kicked your ass costing you the battle? I dont go to your job, slap the dick out of your mouth, and tell you how to suck it. So why not just be happy you won, instead of crying for justice where no injustice exists.

If your team is in violation, yes.  Should the non-offenders have to suffer instead when they are playing fairly?

Why are you bringing penises into this conversation?

[Pappy]

I wouldn't care either way, i dont have a horse in this race.. just some xp and fun to me..but it seems it would give defenders a massive advantage with our long respawn timers to be able to regroup just to destroy a tower. I just find this whole thread to be stupid, yet amusing someone would rage after winning. Seems more targeted and personal then caring about the event or an explanation, and since the whole roster was named as offenders.. I felt obligated to respond. But I wash my hands of this troll thread.

And perhaps it was a bad analogy, but the point still remains the same.

[Keshian]

This was a chinese faction with like 10 languages spoken in teamspeak, the left hand had no idea what the right was doing. There was no tactics, no organization.

Actually we were commenting in the beginning on ts how the 7-8 chinese guys you hired were all dropped from the "chinese faction" battle and fraichedan (badplayer) and syikjae (shik) were the only heavenly kingdom members left on roster.  Had more organized groups than us  - 8 kapikulu, 6 drz, 4 semenstorm, etc., pretty organized by clan lines.  Someone made decision to throw construction site on top of a flag and then all the people there not only ignored it blocking the flag they were spawning on so they would spawn on top of it - they actually threw 65 construction material into afterwards with the help of several people, then when people started spawning in the siege tower not one admin did anything.  yes we won, but just because we won despite it doesn't make it something that should eb looke into and made sure that admins stop it in the nub the next time this happens on your side or on the other side during a strat battle.

It needs to become ingrained to destroy stuff  illegally blocking flags as soon as you see it happen.  Thanks.

[Sandersson Jankins]

So.. it would be better for the entire battle to PAUSE, and destroy siege tower?! Giving the defenders a chance to fully re spawn and regroup SINCE they did OUTNUMBER you with tickets... and possibly cost you the battle when you were winning at that point and the battle was lost on our side for sure... Wouldnt you be on here crying about how the admins stopped the battle, gave the defenders a chance to regroup, and then they kicked your ass costing you the battle? They dont go to your job, slap the dick out of your mouth, and tell you how to suck it. So why not just be happy you won, instead of crying for justice where no injustice exists. Also ONE ladder was placed over flags, dont know who did it but the admin on our Teamspeak did break it.. and tell them not to do it.. and it wasnt done again.. and 5 minutes is a massive exageration but its your story, tell it how you want.

Fukken GOTTEM.

[MURDERTRON]

I wouldn't care either way, i dont have a horse in this race.. just some xp and fun to me..but it seems it would give defenders a massive advantage with our long respawn timers to be able to regroup just to destroy a tower. I just find this whole thread to be stupid, yet amusing someone would rage after winning. Seems more targeted and personal then caring about the event or an explanation, and since the whole roster was named as offenders.. I felt obligated to respond. But I wash my hands of this troll thread.

And perhaps it was a bad analogy, but the point still remains the same.

So what you're saying is the admins should pick and choose rules for when it is convenient for their clans? Well, thanks for your input.

[Matey]

I wouldn't care either way, i dont have a horse in this race.. just some xp and fun to me..but it seems it would give defenders a massive advantage with our long respawn timers to be able to regroup just to destroy a tower. I just find this whole thread to be stupid, yet amusing someone would rage after winning. Seems more targeted and personal then caring about the event or an explanation, and since the whole roster was named as offenders.. I felt obligated to respond. But I wash my hands of this troll thread.

And perhaps it was a bad analogy, but the point still remains the same.

You seem to misunderstand. This wasn't a rage thread; it was more of a "Hey, this happened, just thought devs/admins should be aware". I don't want to see anyone banned or whatever, it just shouldn't have happened and will hopefully not happen again.

[Canuck]

I was on the YYY side for this one, and I just figured I'd put another perspective in here. There really was no organization whatsoever in this battle. While there were not many of the actual Chinese people there, the communication barrier was still present as many of the people there were speaking Turkish, Russian, and I believe Ukrainian. You likely saw how disorganized we were while fighting you, perpetually attacking aside from a few loosely made impromptu shield walls. While I don't know about ladders being thrown down on the flags, although there was some argument over the sky ladders, the siege tower really did come out of nowhere for most of us. After it appeared there were a few attempts made to move it. The reason we were all spawning in it at the end was because all the other flags were down. I'm new to strat battles, and I don't know all the rules, but from what I could see there wasn't much of a chance for us to destroy the tower ourselves, because you pushed us and basically trapped us inside the tower. I understand that the purpose of this thread was to point out a mistake made by the 2 admins present, but I don't believe it was done intentionally. There wasn't much time left, defense was running on high spawn timers and  and telling both teams to stop so they could take out a siege tower might have also been seen as being biased and favoring one side over another as well. I completely agree that people in positions of responsibility should be held accountable for both their actions and lack thereof, but in this case it seems like there was no real good choice. 

[Malaclypse]

I wasn't there for this, but it seems to me that out of all the siege stuff that could be put on flags, the tower is the one of least impact (seeing as it has built into it a mechanic to be moved by either side).

[Kelugarn]

Currently towers are bugged and cannot be moved (as far as I have seen). And judging by the photos posted here it is clear that this tower was bugged.

[Pappy]

So what you're saying is the admins should pick and choose rules for when it is convenient for their clans? Well, thanks for your input.

Yes it is, and your welcome. You read between the lines in my post, and expressed my inner soul with words and meanings my fingers could not type into existence. You sir are a poet, and a scholar.

[Malaclypse]

Currently towers are bugged and cannot be moved (as far as I have seen). And judging by the photos posted here it is clear that this tower was bugged.

Oh well damn, disregard my comment then. So between Catapults and Siege Towers it seems like the only way to take a castle or town right now is via ladders, pretty harsh.

[Bronto]

So many tears in this thread. Smoothrich is right, you shouldn't give a shit! It worked to your advantage, we learned towers are still borked, and it WAS a fun fight. then I read this thread and  understand why you all get so much hate. it's like you look for anything in every bayttle to bitch about. just thread after thread of whining. you do it under the guise of ell look at these admins not doing their jobs....explanations have been given and they still haven't satisfied your nerdlust for extreme vigilante style nerd justice. give it a rest all ready. for the sake of the community please quit being bitches.

[MURDERTRON]

So many tears in this thread. Smoothrich is right, you shouldn't give a shit! It worked to your advantage, we learned towers are still borked, and it WAS a fun fight. then I read this thread and  understand why you all get so much hate. it's like you look for anything in every bayttle to bitch about. just thread after thread of whining. you do it under the guise of ell look at these admins not doing their jobs....explanations have been given and they still haven't satisfied your nerdlust for extreme vigilante style nerd justice. give it a rest all ready. for the sake of the community please quit being bitches.

It's really unfortunate that you will actually take Smooth's word as gospel when it comes to admin matters.  The issue is not whether or not it changed the outcome, it is about preventing this from having a chance to ever having a chance to affect the outcome again.  That is like saying its okay to drunk drive as long as no one was hurt.  Don't pick and choose which rules are enforced, that will only let biased decisions become the regular.

[Keshian]

So many tears in this thread. Smoothrich is right, you shouldn't give a shit! It worked to your advantage, we learned towers are still borked, and it WAS a fun fight. then I read this thread and  understand why you all get so much hate. it's like you look for anything in every bayttle to bitch about. just thread after thread of whining. you do it under the guise of ell look at these admins not doing their jobs....explanations have been given and they still haven't satisfied your nerdlust for extreme vigilante style nerd justice. give it a rest all ready. for the sake of the community please quit being bitches.

Where are you getting this?  No one was saying they should get in trouble - we were simply asking for admins to pay attention so this doesn't happen in the next fight or the fight after that.  i definitely notice EU admins being more proactive in the eu fights in stopping this immediately.  So as soon as the construction site is placed on flags they type in admin chat that you need to destroy it even if they are on that team, long before the 5-10 minutes or so it takes to build a large siege tower with that csite on the flags.

[Bronto]

This is clearly a bannable offence on EU, both blocks are actually paying huge attention to it as they know it is bannable and in case any person is stupid enough to do it, they get shouted at on TS and the item is immediately destroyed by his own team. I can't possibly understand a situation with two GMs/devs in the team and this shit still happening, I would seriously reconsider their privileges.

last sentence. GF.