Smoothrich in EU again

[WITCHCRAFT]

Maybe it's a "dick move" and maybe it's partially fueled by a vendetta...however keeping a fief owner returning to his city (a city that's under siege no less) is a very smart and tactical move.  It doesn't matter why it's being done, just that there is certainly a tactical advantage to keeping a fief without it's owner.

That's why it's SUPA DUPA important to transfer ownership if you ever need to leave your fief.  Never know what could happen.

The item bomb thing is inevitable in a siege for a city.  It would be nice if there was an extra line added to the bottom of the weapon list that had all projectiles as their own category, I think that would alleviate the issue with items being unable to be used.

Glad someone outside of FCC finally posted this. The things that we have done during this siege are not abuse or exploits. They provide a tactical advantage. That's the point. Do you really expect an attacking army to sit politely until the fief owner returns? Just attack once with an army of 6000 and lose 4000 troops when the timer runs out??

The "item bombing" of good gear is inevitable. We have been skimming low-count and bad gear out of armies before attacking, but there's nothing that can be done about decent gear going into a fief that successfully defends iteself. I wouldn't care at all if a dev stepped in and cleared out the city's inventory.

[oprah_winfrey]

Can you explain why everyone of your armies has had leather armor, gambisons, deli robes, ragged outfits, sarranid padded vests, torches, rondel daggers, hammers, pick axes, boar spears, shitty shields, hunting crossbows, a plethora of useless hats, wrapping boots?

I get why it is full of broken lamellars, horses, lances, axes, arrows, gloves, other real gear that is of varying loom/broken levels, but the peasant stuff really sticks out.

[Keshian]

Can you explain why everyone of your armies has had leather armor, gambisons, deli robes, ragged outfits, sarranid padded vests, torches, rondel daggers, hammers, pick axes, boar spears, shitty shields, hunting crossbows, a plethora of useless hats, wrapping boots?

???  Where are you getting this made up info.  Talk to any of our mercs - none of the last 3 armies have had leather armor, gambesons, deli robes, sarranid padded vests, torches or wrapping boots.  We did have a lot of crossbows - i think 1 army had 25 hunting xbows upon request (patricklus has a 7-27 hx build) since we have +3 or +2 hunting xbows in ismirala castle that fus brought down with him.  We had ragged outfits +1 for our archer in either the second or third army, we have had normal rondel daggers in EVERY fight not even these ones in the city, they are beautiful for raping tin cans, we have had eu guys joke about being equipped with rondel daggers in our open field fights but they are OP weapons.  We have no had shitty shields in any of the last 3 armies though im not a shielder so maybe some other people have a lesser approval rating.  But yeah most of that stuff none of our last 3 armies have had on them.

[WITCHCRAFT]

I wasn't able to make most of the battle since I work nights. I was only present during the planning and I can assure that we pulled a lot of stuff out before attacking. I don't know about all of the items you listed, but the rondel daggers are something we have upgraded in a fief somewhere. They are stupidly good for a 0 slot weapon with almost no cost. In our first probing attack (the one full of "shitty gear") we almost ran out of equipment because we only put the bare minimum of stuff in there. That's probably where most of the other items came from.

As a joking aside: Shouldn't hero party be happy that we are giving them the items Shik ran off with? Those are rightly yours.

[oprah_winfrey]

???  Where are you getting this made up info.

Gee I don't know kesh, maybe the inventory in the city at the beginning of the fight. Especially stuff I know we cleared out from the last battle.

[Keshian]

Gee I don't know kesh, maybe the inventory in the city at the beginning of the fight. Especially stuff I know we cleared out from the last battle.

You do realize when you clear out that inventory and your side wins you get 50% of that same stuff back, right?  That's how you still had it.

[oprah_winfrey]

You do realize when you clear out that inventory and your side wins you get 50% of that same stuff back, right?  That's how you still had it.

Actually yes, I am aware of that, but it appears to be growing. But whatever, if you say you aren't doing it, then ok.

But don't say comments like well you still have plate armor and mauls what more do you need lulz*. I think we can all look at Rindyar and Tilbaut castle and see how important ranged is on defense. Not to mention the players that are ranged on our team are basically useless for 1/2 the battle.

*Thank you for not using this expression anymore.

[Phantasmal]

At the beginning of the battle we were restricted from about 1/4 of our 2H and we did not have access to our range until ~ 3/4 of the way through the battle. The only reason I managed to go positive was from a MW arbalest I looted from Segd's corpse about a quarter of the way through the battle and bolts I scavenged from people shooting at our team. I felt like a pauper running around the map/by our team looking for ammunition to fire back.

Edit: If you would like proof of how important ranged was in this siege, compare your range's K/D to ours. There was a lot of ranged on the FCC side that came near (or above) 2:1 and (from a rough estimate) they contributed pretty generously to your positive kill differential. Not to mention the lack of our ranged allowed FCC easy entrance into the castle within 10 minutes of the start of the battle.

[Haboe]

I bet smoothrich is honoured that so much attention is paid to him 

Is there still that bounty on his head?

[Kelugarn]

I'm certain the answer is yes.

[Tears of Destiny]

thrust me
NA or EU there is shitload of peps that have reason to hate smootrich

Oh, I'll thust you, Rebelyell baby, when and where, my tent or yours?

[LordLargos]

To all those Eu people who mentioned how happy they would be to attack such a corrupt bad NA admin, just wanted to let you know we sent him right back to you after 5 days trying to get back here, about 10 minutes from getting back into his city - lol.  feel free to attack him.  Also, he is doing 1 troops and horses so best bet is to have 1 guy do the same and chase him down until his quickmarch ends then kick him out of a fief if need be or just attack him with someone waiting furher ahead.

basically a fun cat & mouse and i think the reward was up to 50K crpg gold, so have fun in the sewer rat hunt.

I might have to yank my rains and turn my horse around. I got a nice shiny Nordic champion sword, a destrier, heraldic trans, leather boots, a kettle helmet, and some mail gauntlets sadly I'm going to have to pass though since I'm pretty much home.

[Gash]

I think your "tactic" to keep the owner out of his city is not only lame & poor sportsmanship but definitely exploiting a bugged feature of the game. How you can even justify this or argue against it is dumbfounding, regardless of the clan you're from.

This situation is no different from a clan attacking its own fief to lock it down. Both are exploiting poor mechanics of the mod. Rules are made to make sure deliberate exploiting of poor mechanics don't happen.  We wouldn't want exploiting-to-win to be a regular re-occurrence on either Strat or NA_1, would we? So why set a precedence for this kind of behavior?

This silly mod doesn't provide the fief owner the ability to transfer the ownership to someone else if he isn't around. It also doesn't allow him to sell stuff when he isn't there.

So basically, preventing the owner from returning to sell the gear or transfer the fief to someone else in a bugged context is pretty much abusing an unfortunate game mechanic.  Claiming that we have plate and mauls so we should be content is absolute bullcrap.  You're using the bug to your advantage, and are thus exploiting the bug. Plain and simple.  If that's what you need to win, fine. But calling it a "legit" tactic and bragging about it is disappointing coming from multiple community veterans...  You may not be directly or voluntarily "item-bombing" the city as you claim, but you are most certainly doing it indirectly by not allowing the items to be sold.

Why the need to set a precedence?  Where's the sportsmanship?


edit: lol at the folks -1'ing this post.  I guess its a bad thing to be against bug abuse and in favor of playing the game the way its meant to be played + good sportsmanship.  Guess I'm too old-fashioned... Keep at it you little forum warriors.

[Matey]

I think your "tactic" to keep the owner out of his city is not only lame & poor sportsmanship but definitely exploiting a bugged feature of the game. How you can even justify this or argue against it is dumbfounding, regardless of the clan you're from.

This situation is no different from a clan attacking its own fief to lock it down. Both are exploiting poor mechanics of the mod. Rules are made to make sure deliberate exploiting of poor mechanics don't happen.  We wouldn't want exploiting-to-win to be a regular re-occurrence on either Strat or NA_1, would we? So why set a precedence for this kind of behavior?

This silly mod doesn't provide the fief owner the ability to transfer the ownership to someone else if he isn't around. It also doesn't allow him to sell stuff when he isn't there.

So basically, preventing the owner from returning to sell the gear or transfer the fief to someone else in a bugged context is pretty much abusing an unfortunate game mechanic.  Claiming that we have plate and mauls so we should be content is absolute bullcrap.  You're using the bug to your advantage, and are thus exploiting the bug. Plain and simple.  If that's what you need to win, fine. But calling it a "legit" tactic and bragging about it is disappointing coming from multiple community veterans...  You may not be directly or voluntarily "item-bombing" the city as you claim, but you are most certainly doing it indirectly by not allowing the items to be sold.

Why the need to set a precedence?  Where's the sportsmanship?

you aren't serious... are you? Sun Tzu would face palm at your logic.

[oprah_winfrey]

you aren't serious... are you? Sun Tzu would face palm at your logic.

When did Sun Tzu write the art of internet horse war?

You guys keep using the same excuse of In real life you would do anything to win a war. Guess what though:

1) This is a video game
2) In real life people don't get so fluster by the amount of gear that they can't select their arrows,shields, half their two handers.

I really see no reason why you need to be in your fief to manage it.