Shortened spear build.

[Anita_Henjaab]

Hi!

I wanna try a shortened spear build (mw). As its very fast I dont think you need a lot of AGI, so the extra strength can help you get more damage... 21/15 ?
Anyone got any ideas?
how much mpf is needed...

Greets

[no_rules_just_play]

you need alot of agility because of the little lenght i guess. you have to move into that distance and stab him, with the agility you can also get away quickly.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I'd advice focusing on high ath and heavily relying on jump attacks with a shortened spear, won't need more than 4ps and 0wpf + 9ath to kill efficiently with it.

[Vodner]

The only real advantage I can see to using a shortened spear is that its low length will penalize your movement speed less than most weapons (although it's the same length as the bec, and only moderately shorter than the LWA, so that's not really a unique advantage). Also, having low ath with a short weapon can be pretty annoying at times.

I'd recommend going with a fast build, and running around poking people from behind, with as much speed bonus as you can muster.

21/15 ?

Unless you're making a hoplite build, I'd recommend going for 8 skill conversions at level 30 (15/24, 18/21, 21/18, etc).

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

The only real advantage I can see to using a shortened spear is that its low length will penalize your movement speed less than most weapons. Also low ath with a short weapon can be pretty annoying at times. I'd recommend going with a fast build, and running around poking people from behind, with as much speed bonus as you can muster.

Unless you're making a hoplite build, I'd recommend going for 8 skill conversions at level 30 (15/24, 18/21, 21/18, etc).

I prefer shorter 4 directional spears over the longer ones myself, it allows you to stab much closer up without having to do any major turning.

[Anita_Henjaab]

Thanks a whole lot already!

I'd make it hoplite yes , with shield... Archers are firing too much to walk around naked (without shield that is) ;)

So 15/21 or even 12/24? Wont I loose a lot of damage going 3 str less and 1 PS less?


Greeets

[Kelugarn]

Having done a successful MW short spear build, and many gens of successful quarter staffing, I suggest a 18/21 build at lvl 31. Like everyone's said you need high mobility to compensate for your short reach, and without being able to use proper footwork you'll be out reached by everything except daggers.

7 Ath
5-7 WM
6 PS
3-6 IF

The goal is to get at least 150 WPF (preferably more if you plan on wearing medium-heavy armor) in polearms to get as much extra damage as possible. If you stick to 145-150 pole WPF you will have ~100 WPF left over for a secondary weapon (xbow, throwing etc). You can swap out points of WM and IF for shield/throwing/riding depending on your play style. And if you have huge brass balls you can take 6PT instead of IF and carry jarids to deal with pesky ranged/cav.

[Nasha]

I use the shortened spear on my hoplite build:

Level: 30

Strength: 12
Agility: 24

Ironflesh: 3
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 8
Athletics: 8
Weapon Master: 6

Polearm: 156

For me it is the best build, you are very quick (even with a shield) and the speed bonus you get easily makes up for the lack of strength. It doesn't take many hits but works well with medium armor and you can move in and out of battle swiftly. Plus with 8 shield skill you're not going to have much use for armor

You are limited to what other polearm weapons you can use if you fancy a change but weapons like the Long Spear and the Bamboo Spear are useable. Double Sided Lance is one of my favourites, it has very high damage!

If not this build, I would recommend using a different high-agility build - 15/21? It's personal preference, 12/24 is the one I would choose

[Little Lord Lollipop]

3/36
12 ATH
11 WM
197 WPF

Go hard or go home.

[Anita_Henjaab]

cool!

Thanks for all your advise!!

Just one thing,

with 15 strength (21 or 24 agi) what armor , preferably how much "weight" can I put on without loosing too much speed?
same for 18 strength...

And where can I find info bout this, cos it's knowledge everyone knows but noone wrote down...

[Vodner]

The whole 'strength reduces weight movement penalty' mechanic probably doesn't exist, based on what the developers have stated.

I'd recommend making an STF for testing builds like this. Then you can freely respec that character whenever you want, and get a feel for how you want to build your main. I'd recommend trying a several different builds and armor combinations, before settling on one you like.

You probably already know this, but don't STF your main, or any alts that you have leveled. Just make a new character, and make him an STF.

[Nasha]

with 15 strength (21 or 24 agi) what armor , preferably how much "weight" can I put on without loosing too much speed?
same for 18 strength...

I'd say between 9 and 15 weight. Below 9, your probably not going to get anything that is strong enough to take more than 1 hit. Above 15, you might start to notice that you become slower.

The Red Tunic over Mail has worked for me well.

I'd recommend making an STF for testing builds like this. Then you can freely respec that character whenever you want, and get a feel for how you want to build your main. I'd recommend trying a several different builds and armor combinations, before settling on one you like.

This would also be a good time to try out different armors too to see which one you like the most

[owens]

You want wpf or you wont do any damage.

6/33 max PS ath and WM


190 polearm wpf

[pepejul]

Need points in "backpedal" skill =)

[Tibe]

Its crap, when you want to use it with shield. Would suggest using it without shield when fighting. The good thing about it is that it does alot of polestun and with the extreme speed its pretty dangerous weapon. It can basically stun enemies multible times before they understand wtf is going and are able to block something.