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Offline Pentecost

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Roster unhired by the other side
« on: February 18, 2013, 12:47:12 am »
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The battle in question is this one (be sure to check the rosters): http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=2463

Yesterday, I attacked a fief as an independent player. I was not in a faction at the time, nor was I previously a member of any faction. After asking around, I managed to get a full roster of 51 players and saved it before the battle began. Proof:

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The defending side, by comparison, had only signed up a handful of players. It seemed like it was going to be a very routine affair. However, around a minute and a half before the battle was about to begin, everyone on my side was suddenly unhired. Due to the fact that the very same thing had occurred just a few days earlier under similar circumstances, (as detailed in this thread: http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-issues/new-samarra-castle/), I had anticipated this would happen, which is why I screenshotted my roster ahead of time and had been mashing F5 nonstop with the roster management window open. I started rehiring people as soon as I noticed everyone had been taken off, only for the person on the other end to unhire them all again. This back-and-forth continued until the battle came up.

Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, whoever was tampering with the roster must have had a very high APM count indeed. Only a handful of the 51 people I hired were actually able to make it into the battle. Proof:

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While the ones on my side who got in did manage to win in the end, it was not a very satisfying victory for me. I was the target of an exploit that would have seen me lose everything if I had been a little less vigilant than I was, and I was unable to fight in my own first battle. More importantly though, a large number of players who had set aside some of their time to help me out had that time wasted. If at all possible, I would like it if there could be an investigation into the matter that results in the exploit being fixed and the responsible parties brought to justice.

Incidentally, in the process of fact-checking and asking various people about the situation afterwards, I did get some leads on who might have done it. See:

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I understand that the above should be approached with a measure of skepticism, due to the ongoing feud between one of the accused and the accuser, but there is some evidence that would seem to indicate that there is probable cause for suspicion. A different admin told me that one of the accused players claimed responsibility for using the same exploit in the Samarra Castle battle to unhire the roster of the attacking side, and several other players who are veterans of previous rounds of Strategus and have a general idea of how the exploit might work said that the player who did the deed in this case would need to have been in the faction that was being attacked (GForce Mafia) and then become factionless to be able to unhire my side. This indeed happened. See:

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This image was taken immediately after the battle was finished. The player here was a member of the GForce Mafia immediately prior to the battle and factionless immediately afterwards for a few minutes, until he was accepted into the Heavenly Kingdom faction. The leader of the GForce Mafia faction, who is the other player being accused in the logs above, was actually still in his faction after the battle was over. Proof:

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In short, if whoever it is that handles Strategus issues decides to investigate the matter, I would recommend first checking whether BADPLAYER or Giuseppe BlackRose had any involvement in altering the rosters for my side. I will issue both of them a formal apology if they were not.

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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 02:38:28 am »
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Bump, something need to be fixed here!  :|
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 02:49:45 am »
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That's pretty low, ban the people in question...
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 02:50:32 am »
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Admins this needs some banning. such crap this stuff is allowed to happen without anything being done to those cheating their asses off
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 04:04:01 am »
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Despicable. Please burn down the people behind this.

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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 12:57:37 pm »
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+1 for including the end part of that log where I glorify my cRPG justice crusade and people can see a side of the Real Smoothrich, putting fun and fairness over griefs and bias.

Also the whole "Strat is an exploitable piece of shit with no bugfixes or consideration incoming anytime now or ever good luck" thing as well.  Hope something can be done but not optimistic. 
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2013, 08:38:57 pm »
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should be a perma ban like the greys got. this is worse than what they did
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2013, 09:47:08 pm »
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So the exploit here is that anybody not in a faction can manage the rosters of other people not in factions?  Just want to make sure i understand correctly

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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2013, 09:51:00 pm »
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Not sure how they do it so its not just anyone not in a faction that can do it, it sounded like their was a trick to it or something.  But its already happened twice in important battles and seems a simple patch should fix it.
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2013, 10:15:47 pm »
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So the exploit here is that anybody not in a faction can manage the rosters of other people not in factions?  Just want to make sure i understand correctly

Anyone who is defending a fief can edit the roster for the other side if they are technically in that faction.  So a defender of a fief can drop out to no faction and end up with attacker access.  I'm not sure if it would be like this if they were both no faction at the start of battles.

Also presumably you can be on defense of a fief, leave your faction, then apply to join the attackers faction (and get auto accepted because of ~~strat) and possibly be able to edit the attacker roster that way as well.
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2013, 10:27:38 pm »
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Also it seems if someone leaves your faction after the battle is initiated against them by their own faction (who leave the faction to attack), the remaining members of the faction can still manipulate and change the defender's roster and delete all the people he hired, which happened to badplayer from hero party.
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2013, 10:36:40 pm »
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Also it seems if someone leaves your faction after the battle is initiated against them by their own faction (who leave the faction to attack), the remaining members of the faction can still manipulate and change the defender's roster and delete all the people he hired, which happened to badplayer from hero party.

Badplayer had no roster access at all.  The roster was Hero Party defending Samarra Castle.  He left faction and was immediately attacked to stop the traitor, and was never able to hire for himself.  So I hired people for the sake of realism, when I only wanted enough to show up to cap flags so nothing was lost.  Badplayer took Blackzilla's roster he worked on and deleted it, instantly killing an army.  A bit different mechanics.
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2013, 02:20:07 am »
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if hes who we suspect, just another reason why permaban should mean BANNED FROM MOD FOREVER, not just buy a new copy of game

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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2013, 07:06:40 am »
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if hes who we suspect, just another reason why permaban should mean BANNED FROM MOD FOREVER, not just buy a new copy of game
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Re: Roster unhired by the other side
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2013, 12:04:17 pm »
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I was hired for this battle and was able to join the attacking team when the match started. However, I was immediately disabled from getting gear or spawning. Someone purposely glitched the rosters at the last second. Whoever did it should be punished. They exploited a bug.
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