Eternal thread about ranged

[Macropus]

There have been several threads about different aspects of ranged playstyle and it's place in the game balance. Some of them got closed or deleted, but people still want to discuss it, so let it be a permanent thread for that.
[Feel free to whine here!]
Well, let me begin:

IMO ranged should get approximately +20-30% points for shooting. Getting valour for shooting is much harder than for being (for example) a shielder like me. And it's not about "ranged are unhonorable dicks and only shiny knights should get valour", let's skip the RP part - valour is a way of rewarding skill, and now it's just unbalanced. It's easy to prove: Bagge is much more skilled in archery than me in melee, but he still doesn't get valour as often as I do. Simple as that.

Also, did anyone think about why we have so much archers on public servers, but quite few of them on Strategus? I can't come up with any reasonable explanation.

[En_Dotter]

I killed 6 people in one ound of battle (2 hs) and it was ~12:12 total players. Didnt get valour and i was the worm of the match... Kinda sucks. I think it takes some skillz to to kill ppl with ranged and that the kills are not team mates. ;)

[Prpavi]

I think ranged is in for and overdue BUFF!!!1!

[BlueKnight]

Also, did anyone think about why we have so much archers on public servers, but quite few of them on Strategus? I can't come up with any reasonable explanation.

Same amount of archers but moreeeee infantry and you feel like you are getting shot less. Also super heavy super armours of doooom so archers deal less damage.

It's also about spawning. Ex. if EU1 had 100 players online (), after those 80 (melee+cav) guys died, there would be still like ~10 archers in the end and everybody would be unhappy cuz in the end it's archurfest. During strat battles, inf keeps spawning and overall percentage of archers among people who are alive is low.

Currently EU1 is 30 vs 30 with 6-7 archers in each team and ~4-7 cav each team (approx. + depends on map).

[Gurnisson]

Better rewards for archers means more archers. Please no.

[Kafein]

How is such a thread eternal ? Fix archery, no more threads.

[Prpavi]

What is there to discuss, theres too much of them, xbow: the need a skill similar to PD, 100 pierce Arba gimme a break... archers: regular ones are shit loomed/high lvl ones are way too powerfull and accurate, throwers get nerfed looool!

balance has never been worse.

[Macropus]

balance has never been worse.

And I think it has never been better, not perfect ofc, but still very good.
What still feels unbalanced to me is archery. Xbows have huge upkeep costs if used without enough wpf, so it's okay for me.
And yes, buff unloomed archers! I can fight decently with unloomed shielder or 2h, but on my STF archer I totally suck.
(And yes, this whole thread is about lobbying for my stf archer).

[jtobiasm]

archers: regular ones are shit loomed/high lvl ones are way too powerfull and accurate,

18/24 @ 30 and 18/24 @ 31,32,33,34 and 35 is what I see most of the time. How on earth are they more powerful and more accurate? They only get more athletics and power strike. Only difference between low level archers and higher ones is imo is experience. Once you get mw bow and mw arrows there is really no need to retire, meaning they'll be used to the accuracy and as 30-33 takes a long time they'll be getting better and better at archery.

tldr: Most high level archers are skilled and not just an OP class.
p.s I love you marco, a shielder who want to give archers more points. PERFECT! <3

[Rumblood]

There have been several threads about different aspects of ranged playstyle and it's place in the game balance. Some of them got closed or deleted, but people still want to discuss it, so let it be a permanent thread for that.

They didn't get closed or deleted, they got moved to the proper Game Balance discussion area, which is where this one will end up as well. 

You can't simply discuss one aspect of ranged. Either it gets addressed as a whole and with the capabilities of individual ranged classes or the effort is wasted.

[Umbra]

Buff ranged

[Perverz]

i totally aggre with macropus even if im cav.

[bagge]

Yep, score system is max fail for ranged.

[Umbra]

Score system is a win for throwers.

Source: im a thrower

[Tzar]

Plz use your brain.... If archers where to get as many points per shot as melee everyone could just farm valour with their pew pew...

Only Archers would get valour...

Just think about how many times u hit people as ranged compared to inf... but yes a small buff wouldnt hurt.. its really rare Ranged players gets valour.