Possible solution to future whine

[Reinhardt]

It's not really the "I want my build to be op!!@1" for me. It's more so the fact that things are STILL unbalanced and some things even more so with the new patch.  Yes, new game modes, new items, and some actual bug FIXES and things are good, but there has to be SOME reward for retiring and all the builds have to be balanced. If you talk about balance, why are you letting horse archers roam free while being OP now more than ever? Why are the throwing lances easier to get yet just as powerful? 1her nerf? Alright, I'll take it. Heirloom nerf? It needed a balance, I'll take it. Crushtrhough nerf? Good! Throwing-ish nerf? Good! needed to be done! Still lolstab 2hers? Long Pike? Cavalry only hitting in frontal direction? The players whining about cavalry and archers have no idea what they're talking about. I think the only thing needed to be nerfed a little bit was throwing, and the game would be more or less balanced.

The patches need to be tested before being brought into cRPG I think. If they are tested, I honestly don't see it. Also, perhaps gradual change in patches in stead of huge ass patches every 6 months would be better. Keep the players happy because they don't have to literally take a week to rage, come back and realize they're still addicted, and then play again until the next big patch which nerfs everything. After these big patches, so many things needs to be fixed that it doesn't seem worth it. Why not release more patches... maybe once a month, just to address the issues needed to be addressed?

Also, a way to reduce whine is to actually let the players know that some things will be nerfed and things wil lbe changed..... now all it is is the devs releasing a huge patch with tons of confusion and everybody raging.

EDIT: Why would you want to wipe the DB every patch? There's many other (and better) ways to do it.

[Kingtrisp]

Do a full wipe.

People who have gen'd give them tokens everytime they heirloom after the wipe they get one token (one of there previous heirlooms) till they run out then back to normal.

[Yugop]

Imo you should have done that for each and every major patch. Would have saved a lot of tears and pointless chatter.
Of course I'd rather be for a "partial" wipe (gold and generation resets, mainly), but wiping out everything could do too.

[Tydeus]

Considering the many changes brought by this patch, including the new gen xp bonus, a database wipe is the only thing that would be 100% fair for everybody. Not necessarily a full wipe, but reseting everyone to generation 1 and deleting all heirlooms.

A less draconian measure that will partially solve the problem and make people stop whining would be a simple heirloom reset.

Except that it isn't 100% fair. It becomes fair AFTERWARDS, the act itself isn't fair though. The action itself isn't fair because: Many people will lose far more than others will lose. I'll lose the 1000+ hours it took me to get my heirlooms and xp bonus.

Fuck if you're going to do anything take the heirlooms, but give me my gen 25 xp back, I don't care if I have to retire 10 fucking times just to loom one item once, I still want to be able to level at the "not slow as fuck" speed.

[Beauchamp]

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[Reinhardt]

It is impossible to achieve "perfect" balance in a single patch, especially when the only ones testing the new values and changes are a few men. Having a "closed beta" for each balance patch would help to ensure that more items remain balanced and the amount of whine reduced.

+1

[SquishMitten]

I want my pink hair back
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also full wipe is a good idea

[Cepeshi]

I still want to be able to level at the "not slow as fuck" speed.

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[Galgorth]

The solution is to stop trolling your users with crappy updates and cryptic posts

[Tears of Destiny]

Well if you add funny animations to stab...
If you edit cav fight and only allow them to poke forward...
If you buff archery accuracy ...
If you increase all upkeeps...
If you ruin all the bonus that gen 30 had and didn't add anything to stop grindfest...
If you don't allow people to grab thrown weapons...
If you add only russian items...
If you don't even announce that items will be added with the patch...
Yes,people whine chadz...

This. What the hell do you expect chadz? You and the community take pride in you never giving any heads up and being a troll, yet somehow you are surprised that people bitch at you?

Sure, wipe the whole data base.

[Jorium]

Honestly don't expect you to change but a huge solution to reduce whine is to make a *complete* changelog for the upcoming patch and post it before hand.  When people see the change coming they can mentally adjust and decide if they need to change playstyle.  But when it comes out of no-where and now everything is different people are shocked and feel betrayed that their item/playstyle was changed without warning.  For example I'm pretty sure anyone around the forums knew that crush-through was being dealt with in the patch, but I never once saw mention of the cav changes that occured in the patch.

[Kingtrisp]

It is his mod he can do *cartman* What He Wants!

[Tydeus]

For example I'm pretty sure anyone around the forums knew that crush-through was being dealt with in the patch, but I never once saw mention of the cav changes that occured in the patch.

I also haven't seen a single person complain about the crushthrough nerfs. My guess is this is more than a coincidence.

[Gaunt]

This is the way to do it:

Reset now
Don't again till there are big changes
Remove the xp bonus for retiring, it's retarded and just gives an advantage to people without a life

I think retiring should be a way to try a new build without losing wealth and gear, not a way to make a super character. In real life people don't automatically do better than their ancestors, though they may have their ancestor's famous equipment.

Also who cares about the whiners anyway..

[_JoG_]

This is the way to do it:

Reset now
Don't again till there are big changes
Remove the xp bonus for retiring, it's retarded and just gives an advantage to people without a life

I think retiring should be a way to try a new build without losing wealth and gear, not a way to make a super character. In real life people don't automatically do better than their ancestors, though they may have their ancestor's famous equipment.

Also who cares about the whiners anyway..

Agreed.

The only thing I could add to this is that database wipes are better to be avoided after Strategus re-launch. So, it's better to do it now when it's not yet functional.