DTV: The Blocking Bots

[IG_Saint]

I repeat that I doubt it's intended for average teams to get above that, good teams barely ever even get past those guys with xbows, the only teams that ever get past Engineers are people who abuse how shit the bots and the dtv maps function, and fuck cheaters.

Actually I think it's more of an unintented consequence of the change from defend the village to virgin and the fact that after that major overhaul all development on the mode stopped. In any case my point wasn't that DTV is already extremely unbalanced, but rather that making bots block properly will make it even worse. Rather than have the devs overhaul the mode completely, which they probably aren't going to do anyway, since they've said they stopped all development on it, I'd suggest just reducing the amount of bots by say 1 to 3 depending on player number or Phew's suggestion to reduce their ranged accuracy, just to stop the unbalance from becoming even worse.

[Butan]

Would be cool if the bots had the same tactical group AI as in some SP mod of Warband : being able to retreat, form up, split, charge, hold, etc...

This would really give a proper feeling of "defending" and not just "herding" those waves of stupid bots.


It would certainly require the bots to be less numerous (like maybe a ratio of 1 human 1 bot ?), and making them able to block all directions is enough to legitimize a decrease of their numbers too (put it on EU plx!).

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Would be cool if the bots had the same tactical group AI as in some SP mod of Warband : being able to retreat, form up, split, charge, hold, etc...

This would really give a proper feeling of "defending" and not just "herding" those waves of stupid bots.


It would certainly require the bots to be less numerous (like maybe a ratio of 1 human 1 bot ?), and making them able to block all directions is enough to legitimize a decrease of their numbers too (put it on EU plx!).

Pretty sure in native the bots only gather up in formations if they got a living leader, would be awesome if they implemented something like that, maybe make it only one wave and then have them walking in a somewhat decent formation until the boss dies at which point they all charge/retreat.

[Pejlaen]

They're too evolved now. And we still fool ourselves thinking we're their superiors. Let me tell you something, when I first started initiating contact with these creatures, it stood pretty clear that their main objective in their short lives were to be attacking a village. However it didnt take long before they realized their mistake, and started dedicating their lives for girls instead. And now you're telling me they're learning how to block?!?

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It's time to plead for terms.

[Pejlaen]

NA is higher skilled than EU and thus the bots need that buff there.

Not sure, afterall this NA person had 1 encounter with proper blocking and it confused him to the degree where he felt the need to make a thread about it.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Not sure, afterall this NA person had 1 encounter with proper blocking and it confused him to the degree where he felt the need to make a thread about it.

Saulcanner could kick every Euros ass if they had an equal ping, even with the 120+ he got on EU_3 he could still kill 90% of the Euretards.

[CrazyCracka420]

Not sure, afterall this NA person had 1 encounter with proper blocking and it confused him to the degree where he felt the need to make a thread about it.

Obviously Paul is fucking around.  I hate playing DTV on EU or NA 7, the HRE server usually has good people on it though.

There's been exceptions, I've been on NA7 before with a full server and we were consistently getting to the crossbow class

[Phew]

Saulcanner could kick every Euros ass if they had an equal ping, even with the 120+ he got on EU_3 he could still kill 90% of the Euretards.

Wait, DTV bots now block like Saul? God help us...

[BenonKnight]

Saulcanner could kick every Euros ass if they had an equal ping, even with the 120+ he got on EU_3 he could still kill 90% of the Euretards.

Watch out guys we have fanboy over there. I have to check it. Hope will catch him and see his awesomeness.

the only teams that ever get past Engineers are people who abuse how shit the bots and the dtv maps function, and fuck cheaters.

How do you know? 1 I was in team which without any glitch, shieldwall or cheat almost beat sexies 3rd wave. I mean we were fighting in open field. We could win if not headshots. 2 I was in team which won using shieldwall. I bet there were better scores than those 2.

I think the addition of block ability for bots is good idea. Sure, it will be harder but not so brainless. Now its just like LMB spam for some people. When bots will block, it will become more interesting. Maybe noone will reach tincans. So what? Earlier waves will be enough fun.

[Kelugarn]

The fun part of DTV for me has always been bot herding and out smarting the terribad AI. It's not fun to fight peasants, bandits, nomads only to wipe and repeat every round and every map. You all rationalize it by saying "oh but they're just blocking" and that would be fine except for one thing. Native AI bots do not know how to fear. They don't know how to be afraid. If they could fear then you could split them and rout them; divide and conquer. But when you're facing a wall of heavily armored, super powered (don't forget that the bots have crazy high stats) tin cans who cannot understand pain or terror there is very little even a crack-team of our very best can do.

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I doubt anyone will have the time or desire to work on this but a redesign of DTV is in order. If the AI nav issues could be fixed and new special maps were made DTV could turn into a "last stand" game mode. It would be more fun to have the player team holed up in a fortified position trying to survive on a map designed for waves of bots to navigate.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Native AI bots do not know how to fear. They don't know how to be afraid. If they could fear then you could split them and rout them; divide and conquer.

In native singleplayer battle you could do that, just sayin'.

[Froto_the_Loc]

Proven Point

Don't forget with those redonkulous builds, they also like to pile on on one person. Like a swarm of locusts.

Maybe the code for the gamemode could be released and someone else work on it?

[Uther Pendragon]

You want to know what will happen if bots will become able to block? Just go and take a look at NordInvasion 

People there aren't crying because of bots being able to block, chamber, feint so fast that even Phase would faint from the speed, they just use an old, forgotten in cRPG and apparently WORKING strategy: TEAMWORK.

There are no solo heroes there, even guys with best equipment, highest level and helluva-long range weapons eventually need to cooperate with other players to succeed. One thing that DTV and NI have in common, is that reward depends on survivability of players and teamwork (I know NI rewards more for kills, but still)

You want to dominate in DTV? Keep bots on range, don't let them attack you at once (keep them in line, for example), have a long weapon and hard-hitting build.
You want to dominate in NordInvasion? Work together with other players, build barricades, TEAMWAAK

So, if you'd ever consider improving DTV again, give us some barricades and, if you could, make bots able to attack them, instead of just ignoring and getting stuck. Would be lovely

[Miley]

Umm it's not like we keep beating the game mode. Why don't you just go ahead and change them back to SUCKY BLOCKING please.

[Jarlek]

You want to know what will happen if bots will become able to block? Just go and take a look at NordInvasion 

People there aren't crying because of bots being able to block, chamber, feint so fast that even Phase would faint from the speed, they just use an old, forgotten in cRPG and apparently WORKING strategy: TEAMWORK.

There are no solo heroes there, even guys with best equipment, highest level and helluva-long range weapons eventually need to cooperate with other players to succeed. One thing that DTV and NI have in common, is that reward depends on survivability of players and teamwork (I know NI rewards more for kills, but still)

You want to dominate in DTV? Keep bots on range, don't let them attack you at once (keep them in line, for example), have a long weapon and hard-hitting build.
You want to dominate in NordInvasion? Work together with other players, build barricades, TEAMWAAK

So, if you'd ever consider improving DTV again, give us some barricades and, if you could, make bots able to attack them, instead of just ignoring and getting stuck. Would be lovely

TL;DR:
LET US USE THE GODDAMN BADASS CATAPULTS AND SHIT THAT YOU MADE FOR THIS MOD!