HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]

[Malaclypse]

Oberyn is gay. I knew it.

my money is on pansexual. goats, women, men, soft blankets- any port in a storm.

[Sagar]

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[Kalp]

[Freland]

So this is why this Oberyn guy is so angry:

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[BASNAK]

So this is why this Oberyn guy is so angry:

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Could it be a possibility that Jon Snow is not a bastard but a Targaryen saved by Ned Stark? Not a pure blood Targaryen but one from the marriage with the Martells. (I haven't read the books and don't mind spoilers)

[Oberyn]

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Could it be a possibility that Jon Snow is not a bastard but a Targaryen saved by Ned Stark? Not a pure blood Targaryen but one from the marriage with the Martells. (I haven't read the books and don't mind spoilers)

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That's actually close to a very popular theory, known colloquially as R+L=J. Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon.

[Moncho]

So this is why this Oberyn guy is so angry:

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Careful, spoiler:

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Didn't the baby from Elia survive?

And @BASNAK: That is a very old theory, that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna and that Ned took as his own to prevent revenge from Robert

[Miwiw]

Careful, spoiler:

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Didn't the baby from Elia survive?

Don't read if you don't wanna know it...

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Son of Elia and Rhaegar survived as described in the books, thanks to Varys. He's to be mentioned in book 5 as Young Griff and comes back to Westeros .

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aegon_Targaryen

Anyway, I liked the Episode. At least more than any previous episode, probably thanks to Sandor.

[Overdriven]

Sandor is awesome. I have always liked his character.

[Oberyn]

Don't read if you don't wanna know it...

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Son of Elia and Rhaegar survived as described in the books, thanks to Varys. He's to be mentioned in book 5 as Young Griff and comes back to Westeros .

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aegon_Targaryen

Anyway, I liked the Episode. At least more than any previous episode, probably thanks to Sandor.

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Yeah, if you believe Varys and Illyrio. Truly the most trustworthy people in that entire world. I've seen some speculation that young Griff is actually Illyrio's son by his dead wife, who was a Blackfyre (it is specified quite a few times that the line died out on the male side, which also explain that young Griff would actually look valyrian anyways). There's the whole prophecy that Dany gets in the house of the Undying, mentioning the "mummer's dragon", who many think points to young Griff. And why would the Golden Company under Myles Toyne, who hated the frigging Targaryens with all his heart, sign a contract with a fat cheesemonger to put a Targaryen on the throne? And the whole issue of why Illyrio would risk and sacrifice so much for so little chance of gain, and the fat bastard hints many times that there are other reasons than mere wealth behind it, which Tyrion thinks is weird. If you reread the interactions between Illyrio and Tyrion with this theory in mind it starts to make a lot of sense...

[The_Bloody_Nine]

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Yeah, if you believe Varys and Illyrio. Truly the most trustworthy people in that entire world. I've seen some speculation that young Griff is actually Illyrio's son by his dead wife, who was a Blackfyre (it is specified quite a few times that the line died out on the male side, which also explain that young Griff would actually look valyrian anyways). There's the whole prophecy that Dany gets in the house of the Undying, mentioning the "mummer's dragon", who many think points to young Griff. And why would the Golden Company under Myles Toyne, who hated the frigging Targaryens with all his heart, sign a contract with a fat cheesemonger to put a Targaryen on the throne? And the whole issue of why Illyrio would risk and sacrifice so much for so little chance of gain, and the fat bastard hints many times that there are other reasons than mere wealth behind it, which Tyrion thinks is weird. If you reread the interactions between Illyrio and Tyrion with this theory in mind it starts to make a lot of sense...

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nice, I always thought this whole Griff presentation comes off too nicely and cheap and that Martin is holding something back there. Makes sense what you write, especially with all the history about the Blackfyres being mentioned.

[Bittersteel]

Not enough Stannis praise in this thread. I absolutely hate how they changed Stannis in so many ways in the tv show, portraying him as a puppet of Melisandre. They defnitely need to get him back on track.

[Franke]

Not enough Stannis praise in this thread. I absolutely hate how they changed Stannis in so many ways in the tv show, portraying him as a puppet of Melisandre. They defnitely need to get him back on track.

My impression was that he is also strongly influenced by her in the books though not in such a manner as portrayed in the show. I really liked Stannis when he was introduced in the show, but he became a bit of a spine-less weakling. He was broken by the defeat at Blackwater bay and became an easy prey for Melisandre. Let's hope he develops in what is about to come.

[Xant]

I think the biggest weakness of the show, and the books, is that any really interesting characters GRRM introduces he kills off/sends away very quickly. The setting and stuff is good, but when the only characters left are some gay women-creatures and a midget, there's nobody to root for.

[Franke]

I think the biggest weakness of the show, and the books, is that any really interesting characters GRRM introduces he kills off/sends away very quickly. The setting and stuff is good, but when the only characters left are some gay women-creatures and a midget, there's nobody to root for.

I think it depends on what you would call an "interesting character", but I agree that since Ned Stark's death there is no real "good guy" left to root for (though it's my guess that this is exactly what is intended).