HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]

[Oberyn]

Can anyone remind me why Littlefinger decided to take the Vale north to wreck the Boltons again, I can't recall anything that makes sense?

There was exactly one scene where they deal with that, the mental Arryn kid gives Petyr leave to do whatever the fuck he wants with the army cause he gave him a falcon. Petyr's own reasons could range from his sick pedo love for Sansa to just another plot to gather more power and influence.

Another nonsensical factor, the distance between the Vale, then the Neck then Winterfell is kind of enormous, the idea that an entire fucking army could just amble all that way completely undetected is immersion breaking. Really most of the distances now seem completely arbitrary and nonsensical. Characters, armies, people and things take as long as the plot demands to get from one place to another, no more and no less. Asha and Theon showing up at Mereen almost immediately when it's shown to be such a long, grueling journey in the books is another one (although they did the same thing with Tyrion tbf).

[Xant]

Another nonsensical factor, the distance between the Vale, then the Neck then Winterfell is kind of enormous, the idea that an entire fucking army could just amble all that way completely undetected is immersion breaking. Really most of the distances now seem completely arbitrary and nonsensical. Characters, armies, people and things take as long as the plot demands to get from one place to another, no more and no less. Asha and Theon showing up at Mereen almost immediately when it's shown to be such a long, grueling journey in the books is another one (although they did the same thing with Tyrion tbf).

Well, no one in Game of Thrones uses scouts. Armies regularly appear out of fucking nowhere, just in time to be dramatic and allow for some smug smirking.

Thinking about smug smirking triggered me, and now I'm again reminded of how retarded a character Sansa is right now, and the fact that the creators of the show are actually proud of it.

[Tom Cruise]

Well, no one in Game of Thrones uses scouts. Armies regularly appear out of fucking nowhere, just in time to be dramatic and allow for some smug smirking.

Thinking about smug smirking triggered me, and now I'm again reminded of how retarded a character Sansa is right now, and the fact that the creators of the show are actually proud of it.

[Xant]

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Also, every fight scene Jon Snow's been in has been very adequate. I think it's probably because the actor is athletic enough to not look completely retarded while swinging a sword (unlike just about every other actor).

[Overdriven]

Yup compared to some of the other fight scenes this one was actually ok.

Does make me somewhat miss Rob though. Although they didn't ever show any of his battles at least he was tactically sound and knew what he was doing to the extent that he won a string of great victories.

Turning Jon's brain into smush for this was just irritating. Especially as he has proven himself a competent commander previously.

[LordBerenger]

Yup compared to some of the other fight scenes this one was actually ok.

Does make me somewhat miss Rob though. Although they didn't ever show any of his battles at least he was tactically sound and knew what he was doing to the extent that he won a string of great victories.

Turning Jon's brain into smush for this was just irritating. Especially as he has proven himself a competent commander previously.

The tactical genius of Robb Stark, The Plot Shield Of Daenerys Stormwhore, The sense of duty of Stannis Baratheon, The Honor Of Ned Stark & the fighting skills of Arthur Dayne and you'd get the most awesome character ever.

[Bittersteel]

The tactical genius of Robb Stark, The Plot Shield Of Daenerys Stormwhore, The sense of duty of Stannis Baratheon, The Honor Of Ned Stark & the fighting skills of Arthur Dayne and you'd get the most awesome character ever.

Err durr tactical genius of Robb Stark?? Holy shit, laughable.

More like, The tactical genius of Stannis Baratheon, the wit of Stannis baratheon, the sense of duty of Stannis Baratheon, the honor of Ned Stark and the fighting skills of Arthur Dayne.

Robb was okey, he did some nice moves when he outmanuevred Jamie, but surely naming him a "Tactical genius" for the man who drove his house into ruin by beheading Rickard Karstark and marrying that common pleb whore (in the show) is a bit exaggerated.

[Overdriven]

Stannis a tactical genious? That can't be serious. As far as I'm aware his military ventures to date include being shut up in a castle, having his fleet destroyed, mowing down some wildlings, and letting his army freeze to death.

Rob in terms of military tactician was great, particularly in the books where he gains almost mythical status amoungst the Lannistars as he's so feared. It was his political and emotional side that let him down outside of combat.

He actually reminds me a lot of Edward IV in that sense. A great military mastermind but fucking terrible at politics. Heck Edward IV even married a divorced minor noble woman for love and pissed off all his closest allies after alienating them. Ok parallels with the War of the Roses really are uncanny.

[Angantyr]

Robb was okey, he did some nice moves when he outmanuevred Jamie, but surely naming him a "Tactical genius" for the man who drove his house into ruin by beheading Rickard Karstark and marrying that common pleb whore (in the show) is a bit exaggerated.

That was strategical failures not tactical.

[LordBerenger]

Err durr tactical genius of Robb Stark?? Holy shit, laughable.

More like, The tactical genius of Stannis Baratheon, the wit of Stannis baratheon, the sense of duty of Stannis Baratheon, the honor of Ned Stark and the fighting skills of Arthur Dayne.

Robb was okey, he did some nice moves when he outmanuevred Jamie, but surely naming him a "Tactical genius" for the man who drove his house into ruin by beheading Rickard Karstark and marrying that common pleb whore (in the show) is a bit exaggerated.

Robb was a shit leader of his house due to his political decisions and everything not concerning the battles. But at the battlefield he was a legend. Stannis was the king of tactical geniuses....in the books. Show Stannis? Not so much.

[Bittersteel]

Stannis a tactical genious? That can't be serious. As far as I'm aware his military ventures to date include being shut up in a castle, having his fleet destroyed, mowing down some wildlings, and letting his army freeze to death.

Rob in terms of military tactician was great, particularly in the books where he gains almost mythical status amoungst the Lannistars as he's so feared. It was his political and emotional side that let him down outside of combat.

He actually reminds me a lot of Edward IV in that sense. A great military mastermind but fucking terrible at politics. Heck Edward IV even married a divorced minor noble woman for love and pissed off all his closest allies after alienating them. Ok parallels with the War of the Roses really are uncanny.

Holy shit, you're really dumbing down Stannis, aren't you? He was an experienced, superb battle commander.

If that's your view on Stannis tactical achievements, read this:

https://warsandpoliticsoficeandfire.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/a-complete-analysis-of-stannis-baratheon-as-a-military-commander/

That was strategical failures not tactical.

True, mixed the both for a second there. Without those horrendous decisions, Robb was a good commander, I defnitely wouldn't say he's better then Stannis though.

[Bittersteel]

Robb was a shit leader of his house due to his political decisions and everything not concerning the battles. But at the battlefield he was a legend. Stannis was the king of tactical geniuses....in the books. Show Stannis? Not so much.

What did he have in the books? 2000 men against all the wildlings? In the show they made it look like he outnumbered them 10 to 1. 

[Angantyr]

Without those horrendous decisions, Robb was a good commander, I defnitely wouldn't say he's better then Stannis though.

Depends on what kind of command skills you're looking for. Stannis had the experience, was a good strategist, but didn't exactly inspire his troops. Robb had charisma and the passion of youth and fought from the front line with his direwolf. As generals, Stannis was a defender, Robb an attacker.

[Overdriven]

Holy shit, you're really dumbing down Stannis, aren't you? He was an experienced, superb battle commander.

If that's your view on Stannis tactical achievements, read this:

https://warsandpoliticsoficeandfire.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/a-complete-analysis-of-stannis-baratheon-as-a-military-commander/

True, mixed the both for a second there. Without those horrendous decisions, Robb was a good commander, I defnitely wouldn't say he's better then Stannis though.

So he had a couple of victories outside of the TV show. One of which was sitting pretty in a castle during a siege. Only saved because of the Onion knight I'd like to add.

I'd still put Rob above Stannis.

Depends on what kind of command skills you're looking for. Stannis had the experience, was a good strategist, but didn't exactly inspire his troops. Robb had charisma and the passion of youth and fought from the front line with his direwolf. As generals, Stannis was a defender, Robb an attacker.

That's probably a good point. You could draw comparisons with Napoleon and Wellington. One was an inspiring, charismatic leader who's main strengths lay in quickly attacking and over coming an enemy, usually surprising them with how quickly he could maneuver his forces. Wellington on the other hand, was cold and distant and particularly good at holding a tactical advantage due to terrain.

[Bittersteel]

Depends on what kind of command skills you're looking for. Stannis had the experience, was a good strategist, but didn't exactly inspire his troops. Robb had charisma and the passion of youth and fought from the front line with his direwolf. As generals, Stannis was a defender, Robb an attacker.

"Hundreds will die!" "...Thousands."

Would be so interesting to see a battle between the two.

So he had a couple of victories outside of the TV show. One of which was sitting pretty in a castle during a siege. Only saved because of the Onion knight I'd like to add.

I'd still put Rob above Stannis.

Emphasis on 'pretty'