HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]

[NejStark]

Rorge and Biter got less time than I thought they would...

[Franke]

Rorge and Biter got less time than I thought they would...

Aye, and Biter was supposed to bite someone else iirc...

[NejStark]

Aye, and Biter was supposed to bite someone else iirc...

Yeah exactly. We stray further from the path, but I like it

[HarunYahya]

My fucking god that arrogant cunt was daario nahariis ?
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Also too damn happy about madfuck bitch is dead, i hope her retarded lil shithead son will get thrown through the moon door aswell !
I am pissed because Khaleese had sex and they didn't show it to us !!! FUCK YOU HBO, one important reason why i am watching this show is the hope to see khaleese getting gangbanged by 8000 unsolides. While watching i was like "Oh i guess it'll happen, not like the way i wanted to but fuck yeah still we'll see khaleese on action...fucking disappointment...

[Oberyn]

Wasn't enough for you seeing her get raped by a Genghis Khan insert?

[HarunYahya]

Wasn't enough for you seeing her get raped by a Genghis Khan insert?

I would call any man a gay if he is satisfied with 1 sex scene of Khaleese in 4 years.

[Smoothrich]

I would call any man a gay if he is satisfied with 1 sex scene of Khaleese in 4 years.

Pretty sure the actress Emilia Clarke got her contract after season 3 to say she would perform no more nude scenes, to be a ~serious actress~~. Guess you need to get your Khaleesi ass fucking from the books

[Tibe]

Well theres always Game of Bones...

[Banok]

Sansa was always the lady of the starks, good at sewing and courteous behaviour and crap like that, so why shouldn't the lady be able to make snow sculptures when it snowed a lot in the north

It did actually occur to me that she might have had alot of practise making snow scultures, but what they had in that scene was very obviously not made by hand. ultimately it didn't matter at all just a minor quibble, which shows that it was actually one of the best episodes.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

shame on me for not predicting oberyn being tyrion's champion:D.good episode..

Fucking awful episode with shit writing more like.

Everything telegraphed like a mother fucker. Ham fisted shit-ocolypse. It was day of our lives with(out) swords, their was that dagger but pfft.

[Smoothrich]

Fucking awful episode with shit writing more like.

Everything telegraphed like a mother fucker. Ham fisted shit-ocolypse. It was day of our lives with(out) swords, their was that dagger but pfft.

HBO's Game of Thrones is basically a slightly higher budget soap opera to begin with. They skip or rewrite almost every battle and scene with more than 2 people in a dimly lit room talking.

That leaves GRRM's dialogue as the saving grace of the show, and its at its worst when they change or ignore it. The best scenes from this (and most) episodes were just from the book entirely.

Have you even read the books, Frank? I don't know what you mean by telegraphed.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

HBO's Game of Thrones is basically a slightly higher budget soap opera to begin with. They skip or rewrite almost every battle and scene with more than 2 people in a dimly lit room talking.

That leaves GRRM's dialogue as the saving grace of the show, and its at its worst when they change or ignore it. The best scenes from this (and most) episodes were just from the book entirely.

Have you even read the books, Frank? I don't know what you mean by telegraphed.

I've only read the first book about 3/4 of it.

What I mean by telegraphed is that the moment you see the mount it's obvious that Obyrn will be Tyrion's champion because his spent every episode telling anyone that will listen to him that "The mountain killed my sisters children and then raped her with their blood still on his hands!" He is in fact

sorry about the shitty song over the top of this awesome scene.

On top of that, all the moon door ranting gave away Peter tossing her down the whole. The moment you saw her standing next to it, it was just a slap in the face.

Personally I think that the problem is each episode has no clarity of vision because we bounce from place to place learning pretty much nothing new.

Tyrion's trail by combat should have been one stand alone episode and it should have been the latest one. That way you can save the reveal of the mount to that latest possible moment and make Oberyn a surprise. Instead every things been mapped out all of the interesting surprises available to us have been wasted on sloppy writing on the part of the script team.

They are too busy trying to do a crazy kind of lock n load meets rashomon with dragons thing instead of delivering tight, super fun episodes. Each one of these things could have been a roller-coaster instead it's like watching one of those stupid monitors on the fancy bikes in the gym that run a really crappy video of where you are riding.

[Overdriven]

In fairness those things are pretty bloody obvious in the book as well. So I wasnt really expecting a 'surprise' i the way they presented it. Particularly the moon door. We all know Baelish and his intentions by now, Im not sure how you could have presented that opportunity in a not obvious way.

[Smoothrich]

Personally I think that the problem is each episode has no clarity of vision because we bounce from place to place learning pretty much nothing new.

Tyrion's trail by combat should have been one stand alone episode and it should have been the latest one. That way you can save the reveal of the mount to that latest possible moment and make Oberyn a surprise. Instead every things been mapped out all of the interesting surprises available to us have been wasted on sloppy writing on the part of the script team.

They are too busy trying to do a crazy kind of lock n load meets rashomon with dragons thing instead of delivering tight, super fun episodes. Each one of these things could have been a roller-coaster instead it's like watching one of those stupid monitors on the fancy bikes in the gym that run a really crappy video of where you are riding.

I actually agree with this. If you keep reading the books, you will be surprised how some chapters contain like 4 episodes worth of plot for a single character. The books dance all over the place, but the chapters have great pacing, often end on hilarious twists, and there is an absolute shit ton of expanded characters and events that makes everything feel like a living, connected world.

This show is at its best when it takes its time in a setting, letting a mood and environment really sink in and getting the actor's to do some real work. Episode 9 of this season is supposed to be mostly (completely?) contained to one setting, like Battle of Blackwater Bay in episode 9 season 2, so maybe that will deliver.

In fact, in Storm of Swords, one of Tyrion's chapters begins with the last day of the trial, when Shae testifies, and you remain in his POV until the conclusion of his trial by combat. It is also one of the best and memorable chapters in the books.

Also you are describing "foreshadowing" which is a staple of storytelling. Its just the show, much like all popular TV shows, usually does it in a hamfisted way filled with exposition, to remind casual viewers who the characters and their motivations are.

If you remotely enjoy the idea behind this show, read the books, they are terrific.

[Teeth]

I don't think there is a big difference in the degree of unexpectedness of the moon door and Oberyn becoming the champion between the books and the series, can't really blame the series writing for it. It's not too hard to predict in either. Perhaps it is slightly more obvious in the series because they have to condense everything, which means certain remarks are still more fresh in your mind, but all the things that gave away the developments were there in the books. Also I think you overestimate the obviousness of these twists for many a fresh viewer, perhaps you are just very clever.