Change the new polearms.

[CaveSquirrel]

Suggestion for adding/changing the new polearms.

As most of you probably know, the new polearms aren't really used at the moment.

Perhaps they would be used more if they are changed in different ways, for example when you make them shorter (having a lenght of 150 or something like that left)

-usable with shield
-sideswingable.

There are probably more ways to get them useful.

[Pentecost]

The main reasons you don't see a lot of people using them at the moment are:

1.) The lack of readily available Masterworked ones. It is currently much easier to acquire one of the many, many +3 Awlpikes/Long Awlpikes already on the market than a +3 Ranseur.
2.) They are two-directional. Two-directional polearms were already less than popular as far as weapons go, and the turn speed change had a greater impact on them than weapons that actually have side swings.

Neither of these reasons has much to do with the weapons themselves, which are actually pretty decent as long as you're good with two-directional polearms. They don't need to have side swings or be able to be used with a shield, although there are some people think the Partisan should be reviewed a second time because they feel that the high damage cut thrust doesn't make up for the fact that cut is bad against high armor targets and that it can't rear horses.

[CaveSquirrel]

I believe you didn't understand it right,

I mean there should be shorter versions of them which are usable with shields and perhaps sideswingable then.

[no_rules_just_play]

you might wanna check out their scores, they are all the same except for there upper swing (long awlpike not)
check the scores and than look at the long awlpike.

ranseur

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Ranseur
weapon length: 189
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 88
thrust damage: 31 pierce
swing damage: 30 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Can't sheath
7,952

corseque

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Corseque
weapon length: 186
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 88
thrust damage: 31 pierce
swing damage: 21 pierce
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Can't sheath
8,470

spetum

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Spetum
weapon length: 186
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 88
thrust damage: 31 pierce
swing damage: 23 blunt
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Can't sheath
8,180

long awlpike

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Long Awlpike
weapon length: 185 (shorter)
weight: 2.8 (heavier)
difficulty: 14 (more diffculty)
speed rating: 89 (a little faster, yay!
thrust damage: 32 pierce (1 more)
swing damage: 18 blunt (way less than the spetum)
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Can't sheath
9,064

partisan

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Partisan
weapon length: 176
weight: 3
difficulty: 14
speed rating: 89
thrust damage: 37 cut
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Can't sheath
9,374

[LordRichrich]

Heavier is better. And they're all just slight variants of the long awlpike, pointless. Make patrisan slower and give it side swings, it'll be useful

[Lange]

Polearm needs a general buff and reworking to be comparable to 2H.

[Torben]

it  would probably help to buff the heavy lance and give back full lancing angle...

[kono yaro!]

it  would probably help to buff the heavy lance and give back full lancing angle...

while were at it lets give bar mace crushthrough again

[Spa_geh_tea]

Long awlpike and croseque are comparble and need not be changed. But I do agree the others are redudant or useless other than their visual appearance. Making them shorter might be difficult, but giving them more swing options and reducing their damage as to make them an upgrade to the would be nice.

[Torben]

while were at it lets give bar mace crushthrough again

dont forget morning star