Common sense

[Blackzilla]

Well then ya'll broke the rules brah

But can you prove it?

[Goretooth]

In this battle it was different. It blocked the spawn flags for a couple minutes. I'm just saying this needs to be decided, either as a group of admins/mods or as a community whether or not this is bannable, reportable, etc.

Well then ya'll broke the rules brah

were the spawn flags all blocked by ladders?

[Kartoffel_Salat]

were the spawn flags all blocked by ladders?

From what I remember, no flag was blocked by a ladder, the ladders may have seemed it but they were all right in front of the flags.

[Zater]

The whole ladder thing is quite silly, honestly if someone wants to use ladders in such a fashion who the hell am I to stop them. However I do think something that slows/stops cav that can be thrown down in the way ladders are being used currently would be a neat addition to strat,

Although if ladders are going to be used as a cav deterrent they should be placed well away from the flags to prevent this whole "hurr durr thats an exploit" argument that has sprung from it

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

The whole ladder thing is quite silly, honestly if someone wants to use ladders in such a fashion who the hell am I to stop them. However I do think something that slows/stops cav that can be thrown down in the way ladders are being used currently would be a neat addition to strat,

Although if ladders are going to be used as a cav deterrent they should be placed well away from the flags to prevent this whole "hurr durr thats an exploit" argument that has sprung from it

The major problem with them being used against cavalry is that cavalry are literally the most expensive troops in the game by far, and they can be totally negated by a cheap, effortless item. It doesn't add up.

[Rhalzo]

The major problem with them being used against cavalry is that cavalry are literally the most expensive troops in the game by far, and they can be totally negated by a cheap, effortless item. It doesn't add up.

Couldn't you say that a pitchfork or trident is a cheap, effortless (poke the pony in the face) item that can negate cavalry?

[oprah_winfrey]

The major problem with them being used against cavalry is that cavalry are literally the most expensive troops in the game by far, and they can be totally negated by a cheap, effortless item. It doesn't add up.

By totally negated you mean it stops cav from spawn killing?

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Yes, except that a trident/pitchfork requires that you buy those weapons, dedicate them to certain players on your team, and dedicate those players to cover your archers. It takes up more resources from your team in terms of men AND weapons, rather then just being "just throw ladders there at the beginning to negate cav".

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

By totally negated you mean it stops cav from spawn killing?

No, I mean it makes it so that archers (the easiest target for cav) don't even have to be defended by players. They can just hide behind ladders.

[Zater]

Yes, except that a trident/pitchfork requires that you buy those weapons, dedicate them to certain players on your team, and dedicate those players to cover your archers. It takes up more resources from your team in terms of men AND weapons, rather then just being "just throw ladders there at the beginning to negate cav".

Personally I think a team with well organized trident/pitchfork (or any polearm that can rear horses) users can beat a team that uses ladders to protect archers

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Of course I am a complete pillock and scrub when it comes to this game so I could be completely wrong

[Goretooth]

Disable ladders in open field battles. 

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Disable ladders in open field battles. 

Do this. There is literally no legitimate need for them in fields.

[partyboy]

I want a field battle soon where I buy several hundred ladders and make every single merc throw one in a random location all over the map every time they spawn.

The return of ladder art.

edit:
Bring back old ladders in all game modes, tia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNOogINr7Eg
(that garguro quote at the beginning was because of me  )

[Aderyn]

This only stops cav from being tards with their spawnkilling. I always see cav swinging over all the flags with their couch up...

I don't have a problem at all with people somehow protecting the vicinity with ladders, allthough i'd like to see a replacement for those ladders into something that looks like a barricade against cav.

If people starts building corridors with ladders on the field and shit i think i'll take screenshots and claim it's against common sense tho... imo only 4 ladders around the flags is justified.


TL:DR: Blanket ban NA.

[Rikthor]

Ugh this thread, Blackzilla are you trying to challenge McDeath as the worst poster? Let's make things simple.

Are ladders being used in ways they were not intended? Yes

Is this against the rules? No

Has there been an official statement from a Dev regarding questionable uses of ladders? No

Does Smoothrich or Tydeus being an admin have anything to do with no dev statements? No

Does Shik have anything to do with Strat rules? No

In other words, make posts in the Strat suggestions or hit up the real devs, i.e. not Shik, and get them to make a rule post one way or the other.

Real Talk, the ladder forts are annoying but they are not the reason why people are losing. I have been on the losing side twice and while ladders are not fun, they didn't cause the loss.

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