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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #150 on: January 20, 2013, 09:43:22 pm »
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Lets all just agree that Kutt got their asses handed to them. Their fall from the game was spectacular.
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #151 on: January 20, 2013, 10:14:17 pm »
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #152 on: January 20, 2013, 10:26:16 pm »
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Lets all just agree that Kutt got their asses handed to them. Their fall from the game was spectacular.

Agreed, I was in the siege for Reyvadin that Tanken thought was going to be quite close to Stalingrad when it ended up being more like Belgium. Hell, I thought we'd have a better time of it too, but the attackers really chose their mercs well. After Reyvadin fell, KUTT really just fell apart. Head taken off the snake, so to speak. It's worth noting that they hard FAR fewer active members than suspected and implied by the attackers. I know this; I merc'd for KUTT heavily during this period. That's right, I actually fought against my FCC overlords, though I shudder to remember such dark and chaotic times.
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #153 on: January 21, 2013, 04:13:28 am »
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What happened here?   :shock:  :rolleyes:

:arrow:  TAMDA is a defensive pact of small clans in the Tundra which was inspired by Sauce and carried out by myself, Remnant, and Teutonic (with others following afterwards).  As Tom said, the TAMDA does not protect aggressors - in the case of Sungetche, since Remnant TOOK it from Hospitaller, the TAMDA is not pledged to get involved as Hosp tries to regain it.  If Hosp continued into TAMDA lands and went offensive past regaining Sungetche, then TAMDA would get involved - which was my latest reminder.

:arrow:  Kesh, upon learning of the agreement, pledged his support of the agreement without signing his faction into it as a member faction.  This was not solicited but I dont know of anyone who isnt in favor of it.

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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #154 on: January 21, 2013, 04:38:43 am »
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Lets all just agree that Kutt got their asses handed to them. Their fall from the game was spectacular.

Much the same way Remnant is getting manhandled at the moment, wouldn't you say?
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #155 on: January 21, 2013, 04:56:25 am »
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Much the same way Remnant is getting manhandled at the moment, wouldn't you say?
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #156 on: January 21, 2013, 07:06:34 am »
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Much the same way Remnant is getting manhandled at the moment, wouldn't you say?
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #157 on: January 21, 2013, 07:14:45 am »
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....  If Hosp continued into TAMDA lands and went offensive past regaining Sungetche, then TAMDA would get involved - ...

So if someone out of TAMDA partners goes into war with another faction, and they fail to take them out on their lands, that war does not only backfires onto the original agressor but all TAMDA partners ?

Dudes i would never do such a treaty ^^ if someone wants to play with fire sure, but don't burn down my house.
A Defense Pact is triggered normally by declaration or act of war from the outside onto a Defense Pact Member, i have not yet seen anything in the orignal treaty which would have triggered such a case.

a) there wouldn't be an invasion but a counter attack onto a former invader.
b) The intial war was already there before TAMDA was founded, that the ongoing war would be also be part of this would have needed to be in a separate paragraph
c) As Remantns were contracted through FCC to wage war onto Hospitaller, and gained some of their fiefs because of that i believe, it is very arguable if TAMDA members should in case they help Remnants not also be paid in a similar way as they indirectly would help Remnants with such a contract.( i also read a while back, that that contract is still ongoing is that right?)

I would find such a Pact but quite intriguing and thought about such a thing myself, but i am not sure that people are actually aware of the implications such a treaty brings along, the Defense Pact would switch in case of a certain territorial aspect, into a full alliance treaty, indirectly triggered by anyone who choses to be an agressor!
But it should be made more clear, by naming it in such a way.

On the other hand, if Remnants, after loosing the fiefs which are not part of Tundra or gained through warfare, would decide to make peace with Hospitallers and vice versa, then there would not be a reason for TAMDA to act at all.
After all a Defense Pact is about stability and securing and also in a sense calming folks down.
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #158 on: January 21, 2013, 07:49:00 am »
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Stuff about purely robotic behavior.

So what you're saying is FCC should invade the Tundra and then be forced to fight themselves, right?  Because I agree.
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #159 on: January 21, 2013, 07:59:06 am »
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So what you're saying is FCC should invade the Tundra and then be forced to fight themselves, right?  Because I agree.
What i was saying i said, what you said i don't quite understand please explain, perhaps then i can answer your question.

If i but should guess ^^
You want to attack Tunrda and then fight yourself, that was what you were suggesting right?
Well if you want to do so it is totally upto you, i have seen worse wars. Could be fun, but was done already, i think LLJK in last strategus has had some upheaval or was it 2.0? I quite liked the fun nature of that back then.
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #160 on: January 21, 2013, 11:02:56 am »
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On a side note, Smoothrich is muted again, pro admin skills right there.

So, at this point it's safe to say that he's been muted so many times that if he weren't an admin, he'd have been banned ages ago for the type of bullshit he posts.  Anything Spookisland said was mild compared to some of the shit Smoothrich goes on about.
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #161 on: January 21, 2013, 12:50:34 pm »
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You know, smoothrich really had my personal ire (scary thought, I know, 2edgy4yall) until a couple days ago. He's really earned my respect as a man who simply fails to give more than half a fuck at a time. While badplayer really kinda just trolls in an attempt to get us pissed (which made me chuckle a lot less, but still some! I really do love these forums, they give me some good times), smoothrich is SPECIAL.

Plus, he's a champion of the poor aborted before birth Conquest Mode that would probably fix everything.


On a side note, Smoothrich is muted again, pro admin skills right there.

So, at this point it's safe to say that he's been muted so many times that if he weren't an admin, he'd have been banned ages ago for the type of bullshit he posts.  Anything Spookisland said was mild compared to some of the shit Smoothrich goes on about.

I guess that he shouldn't do that stuff while he's an admin sure, but since it's funny, I figure he gets a free by. Also, are you seriously implying right now that spook shouldn't be immediately unbanned?

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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #162 on: January 21, 2013, 01:01:44 pm »
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #163 on: January 21, 2013, 01:53:37 pm »
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c) As Remantns were contracted through FCC to wage war onto Hospitaller, and gained some of their fiefs because of that i believe, it is very arguable if TAMDA members should in case they help Remnants not also be paid in a similar way as they indirectly would help Remnants with such a contract.( i also read a while back, that that contract is still ongoing is that right?)


Mis information.  We found out about Remnant attacking Hospitallers when they were already on their way to attack.  Wasn't a contract of any kind.
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Re: Tundra Area Mutual Defense Agreement (TAMDA) [NA]
« Reply #164 on: January 21, 2013, 02:39:55 pm »
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 The idea was brought up by Sauce my ass! If I never went to HG/Sauce, an alliance wouldn't exist. Sure Sauce is a good boss but why does he have to approve before HG can make a move. The chains are tight. As for FCC we are very good allies but no vassel. When FCC members bash Jason, I tell them Teutonic would switch to the french side. TAMDA is only controlled by the people within. The people within TAMDA are small. All this talk about protecting FCC's flank wasnt planned, It so happened to turn out that way. For a pact that has done nothing it sure the hell is popular. I do not know why Teutonic is in this pact. I wanted to form this alliance because we were weak when we set up our fiefs... Most of the time I choose to ignore this thread. Today is the day Teutonic is on their own.
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