maces bonus on shields?

[Diomedes]

There's no point in dealing with generalities here.  Digglez is right in that there is nothing inherent to blunt force that makes it better for breaking shields.  However, taking a more weapon-specific view of the issue does show a few cases where mace-like weapons are better than swords against shields.  The warhammer, for example, is heavy enough that, especially when using its spike, it would do more damage to a shield than a sword (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhknaG9ifbs - a 2h warhammer being used against plate armour).  As already mentioned, a morning star also packs a lot of weight behind a couple focused points which could puncture and fracture many shields.


But this is all secondary to whether or not it's a good mechanic for balance.  I'd like to see more than just the morningstar and axes given a bonus against shields.  Perhaps a system of 5 stars to indicate the effectiveness of specific weapons against shields.  Most axes would be five stars, for maximum effectiveness, while morningstars and spiked maces would be 3-4, weighted weapons used from horses would be 2-3 (for a wrecking ball effect), and basic swords would be 1. 

[Momo]

This is a good idea because crushtrough will be removed from some maces. Adding a little bonus againts shields would be fair  .

[Armbrust_Schtze]

i dont want to have them as effective on shields as axes. just a slightly bonus, for example give one handed maces like the winged mace an x1.1 or x1.2 factor on shields would be enough, i guess thats the amount the heavy weight makes to shields in my mind..

[Konrax]

Blunt damage does more damage against armoured targets so yeah they do have a slight advantage over other weapons against shields particularity the higher armoured shields.

[Kafein]

Knockdown is enough of an OP feature.

[LordRichrich]

I beleive this person was also refering to 1h maces?
I'd love to see it on 1h maces, they're all really short and could do with this sort of buff

[Armbrust_Schtze]

+1

[Dravic]

Yeah, of course... Lol.

just make every shield 0 resistance and 100 hp, will do the same. Dont forget about bonuses for swords vs shields! You know, swords were used to break shields as much as maces, so why not...?

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Just close this thread. It's STUPID. Don't nerf shielders.

[Armbrust_Schtze]

no i wont close it. and one handed swords are most useless against shields in real and in game.

[Mala]

If i get reflective damage for my shiled, then you can add the antishield bonus to all possible weapons.

[Armbrust_Schtze]

whats reflective demage mala?

[Mala]

You hit my shield and receive damage for it, to simulate the fact that a can defend and attack at the same time with a shield.

[Dravic]

Yeah! mala's suggestion is fine (joking time!)

she means, that if YOUR suggestion was implemented, it would be a must have for shielders to deflect dmg to attackers (to balance things out, of course). You know, it would be SUCH historical accurate... Same as your suggestion! yayz!

(end of joking time!)

Just forget about it. It will never be implemented. If it will, I am quitting cRPG.

[Sean_Drew]

I voted only some weapons.

Only if the weapon has no knockdown or crushtrough.
Like Morningstar.

This

[MrShovelFace]

I fail to see how a mace would cause any kind of structural damage to a shield. The contact surface area is too large.

the most damage that would be received would be an impression left in the wood


Physics class for the skeptical

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impact works like a beating on skin hide drum


tap it with an old styled drum stick, it will play sound, no damage (mace)

stab it with a needle, damage,  but it is too isolated to cause significant damage (spear)

tap it with a straight pizza cutter, the whole drum will split open (axe or any weighted weapon with a curved blade)


Surface area determines penetration (low surface area) and on the inverse determines the area of effect (high surface area)

the kinetic force is distributed at the area of destruction (which is high in blunter weapons) and if the kinetic force is distributed too spread apart it will do little or no visable damage (other than dents)

on the other hand if kinetic force is concentrated (like a knife stab) it will pierce through in an isolated area but like blunt weapons
(such as a mace) will not do much damage to the overall structure of the item