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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #90 on: November 06, 2012, 03:49:47 pm »
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This is one positive result of 1st warnings. DRZ somehow managed to stop this.

So Segd the issue in my opinion is not destroy all multi accounts in universe. But stop famous/top/most important players to do this. As you can see it works fine with DRZ since you guys avoided banwave (or you put this on higher lvl  but we have no proof for this so lets stay positive). Make Vovka obey rules and all will obey. Make Harpag not obey rules and most Greys will not.

Nobody will have their experience destroyed if there will be few random people using multi accounts, but leaders of biggest clans around can destroy whole sense of strategus.
ehhh useless to fight against multi acounters  only idiots got cought   smart multiaccounters have more than 2nd key  they jsut keep chanhing IP not so hard to do it and get away without punishment while playing on 2 3 or 4 or even more accounts.
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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #91 on: November 06, 2012, 03:50:28 pm »
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one may ask why somany swe seem to be pompus and stuck up  :rolleyes:
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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #92 on: November 06, 2012, 03:58:47 pm »
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... they jsut keep chanhing IP ...

of course, but make one mistake and say byebye to your real account.

Whenever we find someone who actively tries to hide it it's more severe than just doing it the lazy way.

Organised crime, intent, etc etc.

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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2012, 04:02:02 pm »
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ehhh useless to fight against multi acounters  only idiots got cought   smart multiaccounters have more than 2nd key  they jsut keep chanhing IP not so hard to do it and get away without punishment while playing on 2 3 or 4 or even more accounts.

If they need to start using VPNs and not just manage 10 accounts on their home computer like it was nothing, it will be much more demanding in time and money. The cheating is no longer economical.

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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2012, 04:03:12 pm »
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At least allowing Alts on strat battles would help a lot without a serious harm to current gameplay.
Btw:
1)right now some classes like archers or xbow men can't participate in strat battles if there is no equip for them.
2)many guys retire a lot instead of going to lvl35 ( :P ) & they sometimes can not participate too.
3)Not enough XP for battles, so ppl don't want to fight small or boring battles.

This 3 problems make harder to do the roster causing ppl to:
1)Suck
2)Create big alliances to fill the rosters with good players 24\7

This is the one of the reasons why UIF exist. Nor DRZ, nor Greys cannot make roster without help of all their allies.
Todays example: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1223

IMHO, allowing alts could help not only with multiaccs, but with rosters & carebearing too.

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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2012, 04:08:23 pm »
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Btw:
1)right now some classes like archers or xbow men can't participate in strat battles if there is no equip for them.
2)many guys retire a lot instead of going to lvl35 ( :P ) & they sometimes can not participate too.
3)Not enough XP for battles, so ppl don't want to fight small or boring battles.

This 3 problems make harder to do the roster causing ppl to:
1)Suck
2)Create big alliances to fill the rosters with good players 24\7

This is the one of the reasons why UIF exist. Nor DRZ, nor Greys cannot make roster without help of all their allies.
Todays example: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1223

IMHO, allowing alts could help not only with multiaccs, but with rosters & carebearing too.

A bit offtopic, but yeah. Think boosting all xp you get from strat battles would help a lot more than letting alts play, to be honest. I know I would participate in a lot more strat battles if the xp reward was better. (perhaps even some gold reward?)

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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2012, 04:13:38 pm »
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Slightly related


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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #97 on: November 06, 2012, 04:51:06 pm »
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Why cheat? I think theres some basic concepts here I would look at

Morales. This is a very complex one. People have a basic desire to win, and being online with your own online persona can allow people to behave in ways that irl society or etiquette would not allow. Theres more to this but basically not everyone feels that games actually exist in reality, or even see people they interact with online as just a bunch of pixels.

Attention seeking. These guys generally don't care that you know they are cheating, in fact they want you to notice. They want some reaction from you, either to feel they affected you IRL, or to even feel like they're on a moral high ground over you ("its just a game, why you so mad etc"). They feed their ego in one way or another

Gaming culture. This is the hardest one to change, but this is probably the most important to combat cheating/exploiting. This is shaped by the players attitudes on the server and what people deem culturally acceptable/normal behaviour. Every player has the opportunity to affect this in their own small way, just with their basic attitude on the server but the main contributing factor to this is..

Rules and consequences for breaking them. You need first simple clear rules. Then you need a good bunch of admins that enforce them (and they must be accountable to higher ups that take responsibility for them too). We have the good admins for the most part but for enforcement of rules, and being clear with rules can be a bit sketchy in cRPG imo

Grey area between exploit and cheat. This is partly culture, partly being clear with rules and enforcing them, and partly "morales". We all use some form of exploit in most games without actually thinking of it or being aware of it. Every game has bugs that might not be intended but players might generally culturally accept them as normality. In cRPG i'd say we have a lack of enforcement of some rules, and a lack of a clear definition in some cases (like stripping out map assets like bushes for eg) that opens the gate for exploiting being more culturally accepted. This is a very important one to tackle because not everyone considers exploits to be cheats, it all depends on what people deem OK, and especially what the powers that be state is OK, and then they must follow through with real repercussions. Culturally though I think most people are against the obvious negative exploits so we're not so bad in that regard I think. Repercussions for breaking rules, and even having clear rules in the first place could be worked on though imo

Theres probably more to it thats how I see it
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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #98 on: November 06, 2012, 05:09:27 pm »
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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #99 on: November 06, 2012, 05:56:34 pm »
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This is racist!  :wink: So are u trying to say that all slavs would cheat & exploit at every possibility we have? I think you should kick Dave, Cupid & other cheaters from your clan before it is too late. Btw, even Nocti is compromised since Turks are not better than slavs(Remember Kapikulu_Abey with 20 cd-keys  :twisted: ).
Alpha should set this SB & PB heretics in the desert on fire as well  :rolleyes:

There is no race or nation for cheating but its very normal if a community (look at the word carefully a community) has more cheaters or lets call it players searching an easy way to gain the upper hand, its very possible that others will be corrupted within no time. Its the duty of Turkish, Russian, Polish or American whatsoever communities to clean the cheaters, IF they have a problem with it.
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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #100 on: November 06, 2012, 06:16:40 pm »
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Make Vovka obey rules and all will obey. Make Harpag not obey rules and most Greys will not.

Nobody will have their experience destroyed if there will be few random people using multi accounts, but leaders of biggest clans around can destroy whole sense of strategus.

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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #101 on: November 06, 2012, 06:22:57 pm »
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Are we having a History and Geography lesson here?

Personally I think archers that shoot me in the back cheat, it's just morally wrong and cowardly. And people can jump around in plate? They must be on steroids, ban the cheaters!

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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #102 on: November 06, 2012, 06:24:20 pm »
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BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE CHEATS GODDAMIT!!! THEY CAN KILL ME SO IT CLEARLY MEANS THEY CHEAT!
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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #103 on: November 06, 2012, 06:25:51 pm »
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BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE CHEATS GODDAMIT!!! THEY CAN KILL ME SO IT CLEARLY MEANS THEY CHEAT!
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Re: Why cheat?
« Reply #104 on: November 06, 2012, 06:32:27 pm »
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Your name is not Rantarex.
I posted that so he doesn't have to.
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