Why cheat?

[Gnjus]

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Let me adress some of the criticisms that have been evied against my clan and its actions in strat 3, and my opinions on what has been said.

I do not condone cheating or the exploitation of bugs, the duplication of items was something which i was not informed of until after the event and i sought to ensure that it was not used in strategus by my faction.  Unfortunately when time goes by the argument that the devs / admins will take appropriate action gets lessened by those who see and opportunity to gain an advantage.  Eventually needs overcame wants and the equipment and gold was used.

I do not deny that there were duped equipment and gold, at the time i was made aware of it the bug had been reported to the dev/admin team and the ill gotten gains were stored upon one person.  We expected the devs to take some action against this but obviously that was beyond their powers. This entailed a problem for me, the bug was fixed but the gear remained.  I challenge you to find any serious strategus player, who when faced with war and holding a horde of gear and gold which could be used to fight the superior enemy would turn his noes up at it.  I'm sure some of the white knights of this community will say so, but most of them do not speak from a position of experience the same as ours.

The bug was discovered by chance, and not intentionally exploited to gain an advantage, one it had been discovered it was reported.  Please try and keep some clarity between people who multi account and intentionally cheat and those who discover a bug and report it. Lets be fair guys, the 'tons of duped plate' probably came no where near in value to that which was generated by the advantage of micro managing entire factions and multi accounting.

Furthermore I'd like to point out that multi accounting has been a problem in every single iteration of strategus, bug abuse was a one time actions and is hardly IMO comparable in its implications  Please don't try and smear my clan, sure the use of bugged equipment and gold is wrong, none of our members would deny that.  I wouldn't say it was less wrong that multi accounting, but i would say the extent of your abuse of the game far outweighs anyone else's in strategus. Your behaviour and that of some of your allies has been a disgrace to the community and I'm glad to see the back of your shitty attitudes to fair play and your cheating arses.

tl;dr - Union behaved completely inappropriately over several strategus, multi accounting was condoned by their faction and some of their allies. Intentional bug abuse was not a feature of my faction, we immediately sought to redress the bug but others (in my faction and our allies) saw it as an opportunity.  I believe it is unfair to compare the two.

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[Bjord]

you got ban in crpg to?

Yes, but np.

grellenort has rubles, okey? meny meny stronk rubles, with he buy loomz from RU markplatz. no problem is okey!! ))

I was right!

[Casimir]

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I added a tl;dr in recognition of your poor, illiterate and decrepid ind

[BlindGuy]

If banned all guilty including your clan... indeed.

Hey I can type with a nice clean consience, I didn't cheat, and when exploits were brought to our attention we all said the same thing "Tell the admins". Im pretty sure that all and every bug discovered by a templar was reported.

Now let's think: Those who were lazy in their multiaccounting got banned, those who use a proxxy did not get banned...

If they had NOT been let off with a warning first time, would they have used those proxies? Maybe not. I dont doubt for a second that a lot of multiaccounters were NOT banned, but I DO doubt that many of them were what u call "Anti-UIF".

[Rebelyell]

Yes, but np.

hmm, that a lite bit unfair...
btw that what casmirs says

[BlindGuy]

hey bob I just saw that you and I are fairly balanced for renown and infamy

[T_Grellenort]

Templar funny justified.
But chadz said everything clearly.

Oh, we would have banned if we would have had proper logs. We saw that it was done, but couldn't know exactly who did it.

Those that did can consider themselves lucky in this case. Wasn't just templars ofc.

I was right!

Do not worry, I have no desire to return.

[BlindGuy]

I do not worry, I have no desire to return.

De Ja Bull



I have seen this bullshit before.

[Gnjus]

I added a tl;dr in recognition of your poor, illiterate and decrepid ind

You'd be better adding a requirement for your clan recruitment, so next time you don't add reputation-derailing retards like Blind Guy in your ranks.

[Casimir]

Templar funny justified.
But chadz said everything clearly.
I do not worry, I have no desire to return.

chadz saying that two things are banable does not make the two things the same at all,  i still believe that your behaviour is far worse and far more consistent.  Unlike you who condoned and encouraged his members to multi account and cheat as well as your allies i do not encourage bug exploitation or cheating.   You systematically and repeatedly cheated in strategus and show absolutely no remorse for your actions.  I think people who exploit bugs should be banned, that's why we reported it, to see that it got fixed.  I doubt your fucked up concept of fair play can appreciate that though.

Now why not stick to your word and fuck off?

[Tore]

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[Leshma]

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[Kafein]

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This is brilliant because "I" can be any fair player, but also the cheaters since they argued everybody was cheating.

[Dezilagel]

I totally agree with this tbh, that and the facts that you can: Use any custon textures you want for ANYTHING, from the crosshair, to brightly coloured arrows, invisible trees/bushes, light at night, transparant walls, turn off fog, and anything else u can think of. This disgusts me, cause I have watched some ppl's videos and screenshots with these additions/subtractions and it does make a different game. An ugly, easy, horrible game. I would fucking ADORE the mod who would open a line of communication with punkbuster and get their support. At least in games that have punkbuster, all custom content is a ban. I really do feel this way. Play the EXACT same game as everyone else or GTFO, there is NO reason to use ANY custom content in crpg EXCEPT because you gain an unfair advantage.

In my view using custom content is LITERALLY no different to autoblocking. Infact, it's worse, because while autoblockers do occasionally get busted, nothing will happen to those who use visual content, and the massive % of players who have a feint macro bound to their mouse buttons. These ppl need banning, they cheat, there are no 2 ways about it.

While I agree that custom modding the game specifically to make it easier for yourself (like the examples you posted) is incredibly lame, not all people mod their game like that.

I myself have made a few custom banner tweaks, everyone shouts "FUCKING BULLSHIT!" when hit by an arrow, instead of the standard woman yell I have "I'M GOING TO CUT OF YOUR COCK AND MAIL IT TO YOUR MOTHER YOU FUCKING bundle of sticks BITCH!" and more stuff like that.

Banning all custom content is a bad idea because it limits the game. Having a personalized game makes it more fun for me, and just how easy it is to mod the game is one of the big things that make warband so great imho. Sure it's annoying knowing that some people abuse it but in this case just let the lamers lame. It's not worth it imo.

[Kafein]

Wow, Grey (yes, that's the true name of BlindGuy) thinks lots of people use macro feints ? Maybe in Native, but in cRPG it's useless. I can reach my character's top feinting speed without even forcing myself, and anyway, slow feints are usually much better.

Dezi made me think I had to do shameless self-advertisement so here it is : I also support people modding their game using the warband version of the P.E.W. project. : http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/the-p-e-w-project/