Horses repairs: observation

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

Anyway, you demand more nerf , it's still a reason to tell you to stop from being stupid.

Dear god....... Are you blind or just plain stupid? or perhaps you can't read very well

I'm not saying "Q_Q BUFF CAV NAOW DO EEET"

Cav doesn't need a buff cav doesn't need a nerf it needs BALANCING

Please point out the part where I said Nerf cav

I play cav why would I want to nerf my own class? wtf?!

Only thing that needs a nerf badly is the arabian horse thats just OP

[matt2507]

Dear god....... Are you blind or just plain stupid? or perhaps you can't read very well

Please point out the part where I said Nerf cav

I play cav why would I want to nerf my own class? wtf?!

Only thing that needs a nerf badly is the arabian horse thats just OP

sry, it's 2:20 am in france..

But I stand what I said to the wanting arabian nerf   

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

Maybe because its the most OP horse out there? Good speed only one horse can out run it (even then a cousrer has to be +3 to do so) has crazy maneuverability and good health. I don't see how that is balanced.

even if you can catch it, it will just double back and stab you before you have turned around.

[matt2507]

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Good speed and good health ?
the only thing he has is the maneuverability 

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

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Good speed and good health ?
the only thing he has is the maneuverability 

your hopeless...... *facepalm*

[Overdriven]

I haven't played in a couple of weeks since the patches. As soon as I saw everything was screwed up I decided to stop crpg for a little while (Dota 2/Chivalry/WarZ take up my time). If this is true it puts me off playing my HA even more than I was already. May just stick to my hoplite when I do play.

[Grumpy_Nic]

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Good speed and good health ?
the only thing he has is the maneuverability 

with 48 maneuver you can avoid so much damage, thats why it has so few hitpoints. Ever tried hitting such a horse with a ranged weapon? If your horse dies within the first 30 seconds you could think about changing either the way you play cav or take a horse thats made for tanking and not skirmishing.
Of course you cannot avoid all projectiles all the time but I've spent a good time wasting bolts and arrows on arabian warhelicopters because it is very hard anticipating the movement of this horse while its a lot easier shooting on a full speed courser or a warhorse.

[Pentecost]

Never mind, I seem to have remembered incorrectly.

[BattalGazi]

These patches killed GK, you can run wildly on the maps now ...

[BlueKnight]

Maybe because its the most OP horse out there? Good speed only one horse can out run it (even then a cousrer has to be +3 to do so) has crazy maneuverability and good health. I don't see how that is balanced.

even if you can catch it, it will just double back and stab you before you have turned around.

Arabian requires 7 riding which is it's biggest flaw. It changes your build a lot when you want to ride arabian. Also the survivability of arabian is small. If it got nerfed it wouldn't be really worth it.

[matt2507]

with 48 maneuver you can avoid so much damage, thats why it has so few hitpoints. Ever tried hitting such a horse with a ranged weapon? If your horse dies within the first 30 seconds you could think about changing either the way you play cav or take a horse thats made for tanking and not skirmishing.
Of course you cannot avoid all projectiles all the time but I've spent a good time wasting bolts and arrows on arabian warhelicopters because it is very hard anticipating the movement of this horse while its a lot easier shooting on a full speed courser or a warhorse.

I think I played long enough to know how to use this horse..

When I say limited life expectancy, I mean arrows received in the output of the spawn.
With the latest patch, go out of spawn is a bit like that sometimes:

They just lack the aladin carpet for the likeness is perfect..

I see you play crossbow,
I can tell you that your awesome build "one shot uberprecision godlike" are certainly more "fairy" that my horse..

Arabian requires 7 riding which is it's biggest flaw. It changes your build a lot when you want to ride arabian. Also the survivability of arabian is small. If it got nerfed it wouldn't be really worth it.

This !
People has the tendency to forget then the arabian does not only advantages.
If my Arbian may die with one arrow, it is also my case because I have no ironflesh.

[Grumpy_Nic]

I think I played long enough to know how to use this horse..

When I say limited life expectancy, I mean arrows received in the output of the spawn.
With the latest patch, go out of spawn is a bit like that sometimes:

They just lack the aladin carpet for the likeness is perfect..

I see you play crossbow,
I can tell you that your awesome build "one shot uberprecision godlike" are certainly more "fairy" that my horse..

This !
People has the tendency to forget then the arabian does not only advantages.
If my Arbian may die with one arrow, it is also my case because I have no ironflesh.

Yes most of my generations I played crossbow, I also played some as cav, archer, polearms, shielder, 2h and hybrids. The only thing that I just tried for an hour with STF is HA and HX.
And there is not one shot uberprecision godlike build. Yes I have a +3 Arbalest and +3 Steel Bolts and I've spent 6 Generations getting those. Also my stuff got nerfed, and I'm giving up mobility as a whole with the reload times. Also I'm rather fragile because I gotta go full Weaponmaster in order to get precise shots with my Arbalest.
And hell, when I get a good shot on one of those Warhelicopters its a damn good feeling to see the rider falling in the middle of teammates and getting sliced up. On the other hand I also get raped by cav on a regular basis.

I just make cheap equipment generations from time to time so I can use my expensive stuff afterwards. You can also make an alt with cheapass gear to feed your main with money.

[XXTNTXX]

I played 4 Generations by riding arabian, and 5 Generations as 2h. From my feeling, if we really need to nerf something (in current situation, I really suggest to stop nerf anything), I prefer to nerf 2h first, not the arabian and cav. Riding arabian needs your high control tech. You need to precise control when to stop, when to jump, when to turn, which targets you may attack or not. As long as there is a little control error, arabian will be killed and you will fall down, as arabian has so poor hit points. The tech for control horse is same as the tech for control blocking. I can't understand "why so many people may only accept good blocking tech persons, but can't accept the persons with good horse control tech?!"

In the end, don't forget, all cav have much higher upkeep than infantries.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

How does the arabian have shit Hitpoints?!?!?!

HP of non-loomed horses not including "warhorses" (warhorse and above)

Steppe Horse
hit points: 85

Palfrey
hit points: 85


Sumpter Horse
hit points: 90

Desert Horse
hit points: 90

Rouncey
hit points: 95

Courser
hit points: 100

Arabian Warhorse
hit points: 100

Destrier
hit points: 120

Now compare the Arabians Hitpoints to the rest..... only the destrier has more and you say the arabian has shit hp? bull shit

Arabian requires 7 riding which is it's biggest flaw. It changes your build a lot when you want to ride arabian. Also the survivability of arabian is small. If it got nerfed it wouldn't be really worth it.

7 riding is not that big of a flaw, my normal cav build is 18/21 6PS 7Riding 7WM 6ATH (Level 31) How you get the the 7 riding is up to you, I prefer to keep it balanced while leveling meaning I balance my riding with Weapon master and athletics. Some people might prefer to have low athletics for and PS during lower levels in-order to get 7 riding faster.

Unless your a HA its not that big of a problem

Riding arabian needs your high control tech. You need to precise control when to stop, when to jump, when to turn, which targets you may attack or not. As long as there is a little control error, arabian will be killed and you will fall down, as arabian has so poor hit points. The tech for control horse is same as the tech for control blocking. I can't understand "why so many people may only accept good blocking tech persons, but can't accept the persons with good horse control tech?!"

Riding any horse needs control. If anything the arabian is easiest to control because it has such high maneuverability so its easier to dodge people stabbing at you, shooting you or chasing you. To say "the arabain needs more skill to ride then other horses" is just nonsense It has good average speed meaning it can keep up with all other horses apart from one and high maneuverability making it piss easy to dodge incoming projectiles and attacks.

IMO the warhorses need more skill to control as they are a hell of allot slower and their maneuverability is very poor meaning you have to do everything allot earlier and if you miss your target, you can't just wizz off and come back you have to plow through everyone. True that they have more HP and armor in exchange for speed and maneuverability for them to make sense however it is still allot harder to control of of them going full speed then any other horses.

[XXTNTXX]

How does the arabian have shit Hitpoints?!?!?!

HP of non-loomed horses not including "warhorses" (warhorse and above)

Steppe Horse
hit points: 85

Palfrey
hit points: 85


Sumpter Horse
hit points: 90

Desert Horse
hit points: 90

Rouncey
hit points: 95

Courser
hit points: 100

Arabian Warhorse
hit points: 100

Destrier
hit points: 120

Now compare the Arabians Hitpoints to the rest..... only the destrier has more and you say the arabian has shit hp? bull shit

Arabian Warhorse has only 10 body armor, which is lowest among horses. And I had experience that 3+ light crossbow (from a horse crossbow man) may kill a full health Arabian by just 1 shot face to face during running.