30 pierce dagger is insane

[Leshma]

You wanted assassins, you got them

Thanks for that. You should buff it a little bit more, to awlpike levels imho.

[Rhekimos]

No I won't. I can block 114 fast dagger but you can't block any weapon, no matter how slow it is

Seriously, whoever dies to daggers is a nub, I've never had issues with players using weapons that can't block, no matter how good those players are (Kastu). They can't win if you use your brain for few seconds.

You know, he could take a shield.

[Leshma]

Forgot about that.

Why are daggers usable with a shield anyway? Doesn't look cool at all.

Off-hand fighting with daggers makes sense and it is cool. Do it Paul!

[TurmoilTom]

You know, he could take a shield.

Which may end up being broken in a few hits because two-handers have crazy high damaging shield-breakers now. Persian Battle Axe has 51c damage at +3, dude. I think it's going to become a popular weapon in the near future.

[Zanze]

Maybe it's easier(reflected by speed movment). But what about DAMAGES ? Why do you think most fighters were using any kind of sword instead of daggers on battlefields ?

Most fighters were using spears on the battlefield. They had swords,axes, and maces, as back up weapons when the enemy got too close. If for whatever reason the enemy got even closer (think grappling) they would bring out the dagger. Or when they find that their sword is a piece of shit, which most of them were when fighting mail armor and higher, they brought out the dagger to stab the other person in the eye, the mouth, the anywhere not covered in armor that a sword just didn't have the precision to hit.

Thats the realism argument.

The balance argument is, block down and S key.

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Which may end up being broken in a few hits because two-handers have crazy high damaging shield-breakers now. Persian Battle Axe has 51c damage at +3, dude. I think it's going to become a popular weapon in the near future.

I doubt it. You have no idea how many people are WHINING in the NH battles because they have to use 96 speed unbalanced battle axes instead of their 92 speed danish's or 98 speed HBS. Women.

[Rhekimos]

Which may end up being broken in a few hits because two-handers have crazy high damaging shield-breakers now. Persian Battle Axe has 51c damage at +3, dude. I think it's going to become a popular weapon in the near future.

Indeed. This patch was very good for two handers, generally.

The balance argument is, block down and S key.

The thing has 28 pierce on sideswings on alternate mode.

[TurmoilTom]

Which may end up being broken in a few hits because two-handers have crazy high damaging shield-breakers now. Persian Battle Axe has 51c damage at +3, dude. I think it's going to become a popular weapon in the near future.

HOLY SHIT IT JUST OCCURED TO ME THAT THE PERSIAN BATTLE AXE IS USABLE ON HORSEBACK

OH MY FUCKING GOD A 51 CUT DAMAGE 2H CAV WEAPON

I'M CUMMIIIIIIIIING

EDIT:

I doubt it. You have no idea how many people are WHINING in the NH battles because they have to use 96 speed unbalanced battle axes instead of their 92 speed danish's or 98 speed HBS. Women.

That's because the axes sucked before. They used to be slow LARPer toys but now they hit like monster trucks. They'll be considered the cut damage variant of the Morningstar and get proper respect very soon.

[Sir Gilinor]

Please no nerf. This dagger is so small that it's almost like fist-o-cuffs; getting a stab off is pretty difficult. Realistically, once you were in close it was 10x easier to kill someone using a dagger, and quicker.

I SUPPORT RONDEL DAGGER 2012

[Ramsay]

For all who missed it: secondary mode is slashing for 28 pierce.

I think this dagger it's a very nice (OP maybe) 1h for Arbalest xbowman.
2 slots for Arba 1 for bolts 1 for some decent shield and 0 for dagger. This way you get projectile proof ranged that can 1 hit in melee  with a (pierce) slash to the face.

Just a thought... Don't do it... Especially in organized hordes 

[Frankysan]

For all who missed it: secondary mode is slashing for 28 pierce.

I think this dagger it's a very nice (OP maybe) 1h for Arbalest xbowman.
2 slots for Arba 1 for bolts 1 for some decent shield and 0 for dagger. This way you get projectile proof ranged that can 1 hit in melee  with a (pierce) slash to the face.

Just a thought... Don't do it... Especially in organized hordes 

i already can imagine agor spamming this with a gay shield.
This dagger is awesome, but in the hands of assassins, not steel shields bundle of stickss!

[LordBerenger]

PM me when they add muskets and/or rapiers.

[Tovi]

Well, I give a lot of kills with it...

[Oggrinsky]

BTW bring back ladderpulting.

Also, just bring back ladders!

[Digglez]

least we now have confirmation that balance team are fucking tards

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[Equal]

I just made a 3-39 13 shield skill rondell dagger STF and its the most fun ever.