make long hafted knob/spike maces balanced

[a_bear_irl]

i like using the knob mace a lot, but it being unbalanced really hurts its viability, imo. if it and the spike mace had the unbalanced tag removed, they'd be worth using "seriously" and actually comparable to one of the bardiches, bec, glaive, lhb etc. it'd also be nice to have a knockdown weapon that's not unbalanced or a short mace/baseball bat.

someone will probably point out that it would end up close to the old bec, so it could be slowed down a little (knob mace has 93 speed, spike has 91, maybe down to 91/89 respectively) and i think it would be in a good spot (though i think it would probably be fine with the speed kept as is). the knockdown doesn't proc all that often, and in terms of dueling it's one of the easiest weapons to track, so i don't think it would cause any problems.

free knob/spike mace from unbalanced hell

[Sandersson Jankins]

I think you're right about the long-hafted knobbed mace needing the removal of the unbalanced tag. There is very little reason to use the knobbed over the spiked at this time. I'd be fine with the removal of unbalanced for the spiked mace as well, but I see less reason to do so than for the knobbed. I've seen the spiked mace used by newer players, average players, and skilled players alike. I've also used it, and it seems to have pretty good success. Sure, it isn't as effective or as easy to use as a glaive or something, but it seems adequate where it is.

However, it seems that all of the knockdown weapons besides 1h are destined to be unbalanced. Dayum shame.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

I agree, I used to used the spiked mace before it was made unbalanced and it really was a great weapon. Once it was made unbalanced I found it just didn't quite work as well as before, if they take the unbalanced tag away hell I might have to buy one again and loom it 

[Kafein]

I think it's the other way around. There's no logic behind poleaxes or long bardiches not being unbalanced. Honestly if I had to design a weapon that would be considered unbalanced by everyone, I would probably draw a long bardiche.

[a_bear_irl]

realistically there's very few weapons ingame that you could be handled in real life like they are in the game, but this is a videogame so

also: i actually like the knob mace better than the spiked, the 2 speed is worth it over 3 damage imo

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

I like it more, for the look and the extra 5 reach :3

[Digglez]

anything over 125 length that has a weight on the end that is being side swung should be unbalanced, thats pure physics for you. 

[Latvian]

making these weapons balanced would prevent bundle of stickss like me from gaying around with glaive

[Tydeus]

I used to hate unbalanced weapons, but recently I have started getting into them for battle and I even picked up a Mighty LHSM yesterday, after spending about a month looking for the damn weapon. As a simple comparison, I'd rather have unbalance than only two swing directions. If you can use the Bill/Halberd effectively Bear, you shouldn't have any problem using these weapons effectively either.

[a_bear_irl]

yeah, i can definitely do ok with them, but unbalanced is still a big handicap that (imo) the long maces shouldn't have.

[TurmoilTom]

I think that they're fine as is.

Getting up to 2 extra hits in addition to the initial hit for the price of one around 40% of the time is a pretty big deal.

[Achelous]

If this is a serious request I suggest you respec and do something else, 91 speed and unbalanced pfff ez mode knockdown first or second swing maybe throw a kick in there and then swing again boom done!

[Vodner]

They are already very good weapons, especially given that the knockdown rate at +3 allows you to severely punish any sort of risk taking on your opponent's part.

[a_bear_irl]

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i pulled this image from a GD thread, a +3 poleaxe is

32b
33p thrust
90 spd
141 reach
3.3 weight

compared to +3 knob mace:

32b
23b thrust (-10, inferior damage type iirc)
93 spd (+3)
133 reach (-9)
3.3 weight
unbalanced (!)

spike mace +3

35b (+3)
22b thrust (-11)
91 speed (+1)
138 length (-3)
3.5 weight (+.2)
unbalanced (!)

based on this, i think it's reasonable to ask for a buff to the maces, since they're "dedicated" blunt weapons that significantly worse than an alt-fire on the poleaxe. (although, you guys might think that the slight damage/speed advantages make up for the unbalanced/range)

edit: also unless it was changed for this patch the poleaxes altfire does have knockdown

[Smoothrich]

this weapon is very popular now, asking for buffs is just you being biased

if anything the poleaxe should be nerfed across the board