War Spear / Red Tassel Spear Adjustment

[Dezilagel]

War Spear is an excellent weapon.

And how are the 2d poles any faster on their stabs?

[Jarlek]

Why are people suddenly necroing a year old thread?

[Teeth]

The absolute last thing I think when I take a longsword/SoW against a warspear user (of the very few who stubbornly keep using them) is 'this is a balanced fight'. What I actually think is 'I'm going to castor/chamber/range game every single time I see a sideswing, because I lose almost no health if I mess up or he holds'.

Dunno if you have noticed, but the spears have 150 reach. The speed/length combo of these weapons still makes them extremely potent weapons. War spear is an amazing polearm to duel with, play that range game, unless you chamber the stab all the time I'll be able to swing at you.

That said, in duel they are awesome, in battle the low damage really grinds your gears. Buff both of their swings with like 3 blunt to make up for lost polestun. Even a quarterstaff has 21.

Why are people suddenly necroing a year old thread?

Lol didnt see.

[San]

Why are people suddenly necroing a year old thread?

He is spiritus. It's his job to bring life to dead threads.

[Phew]

Those war spear sideswings used by an agility player render 1, maybe 2 frames before they connect. It won't hurt much, but it usually won't glance.

Useable with shield+useable on horseback+rears horses+good stab damage+fast sideswings that don't glance=versatile weapon that's good in most situations.

Sure, dueling against a Longsword user you'll be at a disadvantage, but everyone is at a disadvantage dueling a Longsword user, so join the party. Of course the devs saw this and decided the solution was to buff the Longsword, so good luck getting them to improve spears or anything else.

[Jona]

Those war spear sideswings used by an agility player render 1, maybe 2 frames before they connect. It won't hurt much, but it usually won't glance.

Useable with shield+useable on horseback+rears horses+good stab damage+fast sideswings that don't glance=versatile weapon that's good in most situations.

Sure, dueling against a Longsword user you'll be at a disadvantage, but everyone is at a disadvantage dueling a Longsword user, so join the party. Of course the devs saw this and decided the solution was to buff the Longsword, so good luck getting them to improve spears or anything else.

I was actually quite surprised when waiting for a strat battle I was able to absolutely own a well known longsword disciple by picking up a MW warspear... first time using one, and I was on my not-duel-friendly hoplite character as well. I instantly noticed that I could hit him 3 times in a row without him even getting a chance to block just from good footwork and the fact that it hits a couple frames early (even with my slow 21-15 build). Not to mention that the sideswings, while being 'weak' are super fast considering their reach is 150. I say the 2 spears are quite good weapons, and speaking from experience, their sideswings can deal a heck of a lot of damage when hitting an agi build, armor or not (since they deal blunt).

Using a war spear feels like using a buffed staff... its just longer and has a far better stab. It doesn't even feel slower since the length accommodates.

[Lord_Bernie_of_Voodoo]

The Warspear statistics are very deceptive. I've been able to fight off groups of 3 or more while my shield is sheathed (not groups of peasants.) It's 95 speed statistic still surprises me. It's one of the "snappiest" weapons in the game - capable of keeping up with twohand spammers.

It's swing damage is pretty weak. My +3 WarSpear only does 22 blunt, but it can do the job. I liked Jarlek's suggestion on making it cheaper - but, it's swing could use a buff. Maybe, 1-3 more damage points.

[Phew]

It's swing damage is pretty weak. My +3 WarSpear only does 22 blunt, but it can do the job. I liked Jarlek's suggestion on making it cheaper - but, it's swing could use a buff. Maybe, 1-3 more damage points.

22blunt is better than it sounds; 22 blunt does about the same damage to 60 armor as 32 cut. People that complain about the Side Sword and other stabby 1h swords need to remember that their sideswings are on par with a war spear, and the stab has a shorter range (compared to hoplite mode war spear) and doesn't rear horses.

[Vodner]

I believe the warspear already received a slight sideswing damage boost some time between me posting this thread and now. Unfortunately, the sideswing damage is low enough that there is a world of difference between a +3 warspear, and an unloomed one.