horn bow vs arbalest

[Snickers]

Huh... Can i revoke my vote. I though it said nerf Xbows not Buff Xbows. Fucking hate polls that doesn't mean shit. Xbows are strong enough. Ppl get 2 shot with 50 + armour but with a horn bow with bodkins it take 5+ in the body. Though bows shoot faster.

[Teeth]

Stupid topic. It's pierce damage, damnit. No one with light gear cares about anything but cut dmg. As xbower you're supposed to hit heavy armor guys, there youll do some dmg.

Lol. Pierce will do more damage against light armor than it will against heavy armor, obviously. Without armor, all three damage types will deal their highest possible damage. It's just that the base damage for blunt and pierce is mostly lower than cut. While cut gets its damage reduced fast by higher armor, this effect is less for blunt and pierce.

A 24 pierce crossbow would deal exactly the same damage to a target without armor as a 24 cut hornbow.

[Nightingale]

wtf???horn bow have 24 cut dmg and need 2 hits to kill player and arbalest have 81 pierce and need 2 hits to kill!!!wtf???

Well....

Been using an arbalest for 18 generations, of course I have +3 steel bolts and +3 arbalest... the total base damage if added up is 100 P.... then minus (whatever percent the devs nerfed them down) if its raining - 25% (I think), and bowmen suffered the same nerf, only they a more rapid rate of fire. gives them more chance for hits (Points).As for linen tunic, some archers wear those and fake peasants, rarely do I actually see a real "peasant" wearing "Linen Tunic",most of the time they come up with extremely ridiculous outfits that no one but a true peasant would wear it.

The only thing I care about, I get enough kills to satisfy me, but... the points they determine valour yes? Then why do I get 2 or 3 points for landing a head shot from any distance it doesn't matter and when I get on my melee alt I get 4 points for hitting someone once with a sword? Why is it that? when I do decent on NA siege 10-20 kills and 1-2 deaths, why is it I am on the bottom of the score board.

Never had a problem with archers, I think you need to rethink your problem here. I counted shots from a fully loomed Tatar bow with Tatar arrows just for shits and giggles one night and i survived 4 shots, 42 body armor 15 str and 0 ironflesh, If anything Archers deserve a slight damage buff... someone with a build like mine shouldn't be able to take 4 arrows not even counting the times the guy missed. So I believe you counted wrong.

Horn bow verse Arbalest, Horn bow would likely win if you missed first,  or shot him from an open place with 0 cover this is when its up to the player to think.... (Do I really want to get his attention when I have to reload for 12 seconds with zero cover around to block his shots?) (I think ill wait to shoot at him till I find cover) I honestly think that range is pretty well balanced in the game at the moment and I think your main problem is you want to be able to kill him without a challenge. which shouldn't happen anyway a smart player will always win against a player that doesn't think.

This thread seems to me just you are angry that a few archers out did you... which can happen since they have a higher rate of fire...  (Since your EU- Probably crazy Russians - the one thing NA lacks! that and average skill)

[genric]

I want to +1 you but you are desirable and I hate you for being a good crossbow lol, almost is much as I hate claire calford. I <3 claire now

[Haboe]

Powerdraw

[Nightingale]

I want to +1 you but you are desirable and I hate you for being a good crossbow lol, almost is much as I hate claire calford. I <3 claire now

I see you +1 me anyway! and I +1 you because you <3 claire

[Dach]

Buff Arbalest until I can oneshot Sosarian knight!

Put 2 bolt in him the other day and he didn't die! Pretty short range shot too. Mind you I got +3 arbalest and +3 steel bolts 

Or nerf STR... 

[Nightingale]

Buff Arbalest until I can oneshot Sosarian knight!

Put 2 bolt in him the other day and he didn't die! Pretty short range shot too. Mind you I got +3 arbalest and +3 steel bolts 

Or nerf STR... 

only 2?!?! surely he only had a quarter of Hp left.

[genric]

I see you +1 me anyway! and I +1 you because you <3 claire

You made a good point. I give KUTT crap in game but in forums we are all just text, and you wrote a very good point therefor I give you credit.

[Uumdi]

http://i.imgur.com/qv6zX.jpg

with mw horn bow and mw bodkins i do 29 pierce demage, 6 pd gives me %84 more that means i hit 53 pierce...

http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/?go=archercalc

Old calculator but the archery formula should still be very relevant.  I did a 27/15 longbow build vs. 18/24 longbow build.  Power Draw over the requirement absolutely destroys your effective wpf, so the 14% dmg is unfortunately broken.  I would hope they decide to rethink the damage formula a little bit, or at least how wpf works. 

We don't want str archers acting like turrets or shotguns, but a higher-str archer just doesn't make any sense atm.  18/24 did about 60p, and the 27/15 only did 72p, with an effective wpf of like... 20, haha.  Its balanced atm, I won't lobby too hard for archers that shoot lightning bolts, but there should really be more choices than there currently are: 15/24 or 18/21  (or 15/27 vs 18/24 on a limited athletics build).


But yeah, play around with that calculator.  They did a fantastic job, even let you toggle heirloomed bows and ammo types.

[genric]

+1 cause Uumdi.

And cause archers so limited
And archery wpf is annoying cause you suck till level 29 and still aren't all that accurate.

[MrShine]

wtf???horn bow have 24 cut dmg and need 2 hits to kill player and arbalest have 81 pierce and need 2 hits to kill!!!wtf???

wut

[Dexxtaa]

wut

HE SAID "WTF??? HORN BOW HAVE 24 CUT DMG AND NEED 2 HITS TO KILL PLAYER AND ARBALEST HAVE 81 PIERCE AND NEED 2 HITS TO KILL!!! WTF???"

[genric]

HE SAID "WTF??? HORN BOW HAVE 24 CUT DMG AND NEED 2 HITS TO KILL PLAYER AND ARBALEST HAVE 81 PIERCE AND NEED 2 HITS TO KILL!!! WTF???"

Ahhh I get it. False statement except under very particular circumstances.

[MrShine]

HE SAID "WTF??? HORN BOW HAVE 24 CUT DMG AND NEED 2 HITS TO KILL PLAYER AND ARBALEST HAVE 81 PIERCE AND NEED 2 HITS TO KILL!!! WTF???"

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