Star Citizen

[Jarlek]

Before:
Only way to get new guns in the virtual dogfighting module was to spend real time money.
(Since there is no ingame universe to make/build/trade/buy with ingame currency)

What they announced:
Buy new guns for real money, same as before.
OR
Play the virtual dogfighting arena and gain virtual credits to rent weapons/ships/equipment.

Sorry, but how exactly is this P2W? The previous model was P2W, but not the finished game.

New system will still not be the finished game, but they've added it so that you DON'T need to pay real money to gain new stuff. How the fuck is that MORE P2W?

Xant, you've been following this game for less than a year when you've seen hype train around it. You literally know nothing about this game development. I'm following it on daily basis for two years and a half, I'm qualified enough to notice certain behavior they are showing and it is going to only get worse.

Sorry Leshma, but we all know you're not even qualified to tie your shoelaces :/

[Christo]

Yeah that's not light pay2win, that's just absurd. I remember the shittiest P2W F2P games from Asia doing that and I seriously despised it.

I am with Vibe on the renting topic

[Leshma]

[New system will still not be the finished game, but they've added it so that you DON'T need to pay real money to gain new stuff. How the fuck is that MORE P2W?

It isn't. It was full retard P2W, now will be light version. You should know that original idea was to stop with crowdfuding awhile ago but they can't let money flow to stop, it is too lucrative. They should stop it and just sell cosmetics like decent F2P games do.

Point is, introduction of game credits you can earn and buy gear should put the P2W rumours down once for all. But their greed doesn't allow them to do such a thing. And it will polarize community even more and game critics will talk negative of this decision.

Sorry Leshma, but we all know you're not even qualified to tie your shoelaces :/

Is that the best you can do? Ad hominem attacks are last refuge for those who aren't able to keep discussion going as Xant presented in his first reply to my comment on this subject.

[Leshma]

OP I owe you a beer I couldn't agree with you more if I was in fact you.

Pay walling testing and claiming that it will reduce exploits is... Amazing... I hate being a rude douche lord but that's some incredibly illogical nonsense. The fastest way to highlight problems is to allow us to break the game over and over again and allow us to hunt exploits down and drag them kicking and screaming out into the light of day. Not limiting our ability to have access to the game.

This is a real kick to the old confidence. I'm now dreading a potbs type hull insurance mechanic that just ruins the game by incentivising zero upgraded zerging :/

I was really looking forward to the AC update and being able to slowly use all the gear and ships. This is just damn foolish.

Also now I'm even more concerned with what AC will become in the PU.

Only time will tell.

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Disclosure

I'm around 400$ deep.

Totally agree.

[Voso]

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[Xant]

It isn't. It was full retard P2W, now will be light version. You should know that original idea was to stop with crowdfuding awhile ago but they can't let money flow to stop, it is too lucrative. They should stop it and just sell cosmetics like decent F2P games do.

Why the fuck should they have stopped crowdfunding? That'd mean lots of people who weren't able to pledge the first time around would never have gotten to play. Retarded argument.

Point is, introduction of game credits you can earn and buy gear should put the P2W rumours down once for all. But their greed doesn't allow them to do such a thing. And it will polarize community even more and game critics will talk negative of this decision.

So you basically don't understand how RECs work. Who cares if an alpha testing MODULE is "p2w"? Let people pay to win a laggy, bugged, unfinished separate module of Star Citizen. Everyone benefits. Except now you can also get stuff by just playing.

Is that the best you can do? Ad hominem attacks are last refuge for those who aren't able to keep discussion going as Xant presented in his first reply to my comment on this subject.

That wasn't an ad hominem attack, idiot.

[Leshma]

Why the fuck should they have stopped crowdfunding? That'd mean lots of people who weren't able to pledge the first time around would never have gotten to play. Retarded argument.

They could buy the game on release. Can you buy Melee: Battlegrounds licence?

So you basically don't understand how RECs work. Who cares if an alpha testing MODULE is "p2w"?

It is not alpha testing MODULE. AC version is beyond v1.0 which is considered as final. Game should be finished November 2014.

Except now you can also get stuff by just playing.

rent stuff

That wasn't an ad hominem attack, idiot.

If you called me an idiot in person I would rip your face off and none of your "superior fighting and survival skills" could help you there.

[Xant]

They could buy the game on release. Can you buy Melee: Battlegrounds licence?

Or... I could buy the game now, be able to play now, and CIG would get more money for development?

It is not alpha testing MODULE. AC version is beyond v1.0 which is considered as final. Game should be finished November 2014.

Hahah, good god you're retarded. Yes, it's a fucking alpha, you idiot. Almost everything is still a placeholder. You again prove you have no idea what you're talking about, despite your "omg ive followed development"

rent stuff

Yes, which you can easily keep if you keep playing.

If you called me an idiot in person I would rip your face off and none of your "superior fighting and survival skills" could help you there.

I'm so afraid of trannies.

[Molly]

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[Xant]

chadz is reminding me more and more of Chris Roberts as time goes by. Only missing 72 million dollars obtained though crowdfunding scam campaign.

Leshma's new personality seems to be very depressed and cynical, the world is an evil place and everyone is an evil scammer. 

[Leshma]

It's the grandeur ideas that chadz seem to have just like Roberts, and in cases of both developers results are far off the promises they make. Molyneux virus is spreading among game devs.

Have you seen new game by Illfonic? (dev team behind FPS module and previously open source FPS Nexuiz) They are making medieval survival horror MMO (wonder if Lovecraft's family gets any dime when these clowns take ideas from his books and use them in video game) . But there is no game, just bunch of nicely formatted text on a dandy looking website (Crowfall). They'll start with one room and then make a game out of it if enough funds come. But they need money to make a room also. Fucking disgrace.

[Kalam]

It's the grandeur ideas that chadz seem to have just like Roberts, and in cases of both developers results are far off the promises they make. Molyneux virus is spreading among game devs.

Have you seen new game by Illfonic? (dev team behind FPS module and previously open source FPS Nexuiz) They are making medieval survival horror MMO (wonder if Lovecraft's family gets any dime when these clowns take ideas from his books and use them in video game) . But there is no game, just bunch of nicely formatted text on a dandy looking website (Crowfall). They'll start with one room and then make a game out of it if enough funds come. But they need money to make a room also. Fucking disgrace.

Some of Lovecraft is in public domain. Most of his famous stories are not.

Anyhoo, continue.

[Xant]

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/232661

[Vibe]

Time limited items are horseshit regardless of the reasons behind it. Especially if this timer keeps ticking when you're offline.

[Xant]

Time limited items are horseshit regardless of the reasons behind it. Especially if this timer keeps ticking when you're offline.

How are they horseshit? Did you read the link I pasted in my last post? It was never in their plans to let people have everything for free just by playing in alpha Arena Commander, yet they're doing it. It's like complaining that the gift horse has two teeth missing.