Idea for solution to powerblocks forming + Drama potential!

[Thomek]

The problem we all know. Lack of real action in strat because powerblocks are building up, none are willing to wage an all out war in fear that a 3rd party or fragile alliances will break. My theory is that if factions had good ways to hurt each other without going all out/identifying themselves, they would do so.

Such a setup would open the gates of hell when it comes to who to trust, and who not to trust. Situations could quickly become unbearable, and force factions to go to all out war.

Idea is simple:

Allow clans or factions to create "secret" or black armies for backstabbing purposes

*To the enemy it would be impossible/hard to identify the owners of that army.
* Perhaps the combatants inside the army should also be secret, or it would often be a dead giveaway.
* Perhaps such armies should be harder/more expensive to maintain, relative to a normal army.

Other ways to sabotage for each other without going for all out wars.
Don't have so many ideas here, but paying to sabotage cities etc. could be an element here.

Peace is just too easy in strat!

It is carebear by nature, everyone can see who is attacking, everyone can see who is participating in battles. It needs to be dirtier to loosen up.

[Auphilia]

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Eh, all the more ways larger factions can pick on smaller ones. So far they just pretend they aren't part of their faction and wage "personal" wars. I'm assuming these armies would cost money? Mega-factions or mega-alliances will be the only ones willing/able to afford them, I'm sure.

[LordBerenger]

The problem we all know. Lack of real action in strat because powerblocks are building up, none are willing to wage an all out war in fear that a 3rd party or fragile alliances will break. My theory is that if factions had good ways to hurt each other without going all out/identifying themselves, they would do so.

Allow clans or factions to create "secret" or black armies for backstabbing purposes

RACIST!

[Thomek]

lol.. ok bad wording.

Also perhaps the whole post has to much ninja written over it to most tastes.

Let's call them mercenary army then. When an army is flagged mercenary, it is impossible to see who leads it, who participates in the battle, and it is more expensive to maintain.

[Auphilia]

lol.. ok bad wording.

Also perhaps the whole post has to much ninja written over it to most tastes.

Let's call them mercenary army then. When an army is flagged mercenary, it is impossible to see who leads it, who participates in the battle, and it is more expensive to maintain.

And why would any small faction spend extra money to field an army? The only ones who this could help are mega alliances who want to crush smaller ones without the rest of the map coming to their aid.

For example, Hospitallers would have used these armies to attack Hero_Party.

[Thomek]

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Eh, all the more ways larger factions can pick on smaller ones. So far they just pretend they aren't part of their faction and wage "personal" wars. I'm assuming these armies would cost money? Mega-factions or mega-alliances will be the only ones willing/able to afford them, I'm sure.

Well when big factions are forced to battle each other/have huge expenses for "black" operations, they won't have such power over smaller factions see?

Their real enemy is always the other big alliances. They just wipe smaller ones while they get in position for some theoretical gigantic clash. (Which sometimes never happen)

I think this suggestion would shake up the whole of strat, and this shake-up would create possibilities, also for smaller factions. You know.. The old risk strat of sitting silent in a corner the whole game, being friends with everyone really works. This tendency is especially prevalent when you look at strat, and the huge time/effort and risk a big war will cause.

[Auphilia]

Well when big factions are forced to battle each other/have huge expenses for "black" operations, they won't have such power over smaller factions see?

If I hire an hitman to assassinate a target and that target is assassinated, what does it matter how strong I appear to the dead man?
The usage of these armies would be to cripple smaller clans or completely destroy them. If no one knows who did it, then the weakness is of no consequence.

[Smoothrich]

the problem with EU is you guys are cowards, and nothing will ever change that.

go to your nearest DRZ strat member and punch him in the face, and start a fucking bar brawl.  I heard that works better at getting fights to happen, then posting.

[Thomek]

the problem with EU is you guys are cowards, and nothing will ever change that.
go to your nearest DRZ strat member and punch him in the face, and start a fucking bar brawl.  I heard that works better at getting fights to happen, then posting.

Agreed, but do you have any idea the trouble it is to organize a visa to russia?

@Auphilia
I get your point. But I think chances are that they would use this to weaken each other. If they wanted to take a small clan, they could do so with normal forces.

Perhaps these armies would not be able to actually take fiefs (since that would reveal their true master), but attack other armies in the field only.

The main problem anyhow, is that clans, big or small, form mega-alliances. These alliances must have some incentive to to actually wage war, so we can get to play some epic battles. Also, this would open up for smaller clans. Small clans are also people, and people might have information, which becomes crucial in a game that is more complicated than 2 carebear blocks.

[Casimir]

The two 'carebear' blocks are currently at war with each other.

There is no Peace on EU...

[Tomas]

won't you work out who's army it is as soon as they put a TS up to gather on for the battle?

[Lizard_man]

won't you work out who's army it is as soon as they put a TS up to gather on for the battle?

Was thinking the same thing, at least it wouldn't be hard to go TS hopping...

[Braeden]

We would also have a disguised TS for anyone with disguised armies to use, that automatically randomized names and voices and IP addresses, modified your words to prevent recognition by word order, and translated everyone's language into British English to prevent anyone from having language problems.

[Thomek]

Just use team chat..

[Lt_Anders]

Just use team chat..

Use someone ELSE's TS!