Horse Crossbowman "sucks"

[Dravic]

Hello!

A lot of people says in public that:

"HC sucks"
"HC can't compete with HA"
"You can't kill anything with that funny crossbow"
"You are shit not a horseman"

etc.

Look at this screen:

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As you can see, I had almost equal score as Tuonela. Now something kinda funny:

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32 lvl? Cool. I talked with Tuonela, and he said that he was tired. Anyway:

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I am not saying that HA is worse - no! HA is actually better in right hands. What I want to say is:

HC is an useful class. Admit it.

PS

My build at 30 lvl (for interested):

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 7
Agility: 30
Hit points: 42
Converted: 4
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 2
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 10
Horse Archery: 5
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 10
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 190
Throwing: 1

[IG_Saint]

pure HC vs pure HA, the HA definitely wins the better class award.  HC just have more options to hybridize. For instance my HC (ballsy) has this build:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 18
    * Agility: 18
    * Hit points: 59

    * Converted: 2
    * Ironflesh: 3
    * Power Strike: 6
    * Shield: 0
    * Athletics: 5
    * Riding: 6
    * Horse Archery: 3
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 6

    * One Handed: 1
    * Two Handed: 118
    * Polearm: 50
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 110
    * Throwing: 1

Perfect for harrasing enemies in close combat and still effective on foot and even in duels. I am kinda regretting the 50 polearm though. Not because it isn't usefull, or because I'm lacking in other wpf (120 melee wpf is more than enough for me), but simply because I rarely use lances, prefering to just use my bastard or longsword. It does mean I'm not that effective against real cav, but a lot of cav fall for a simple ctrl-J trick, allowing you to slash them a bit, followed up by a shot to take out their horse. Once they're dishorsed, just close in, block their stab and bump slash 'em to death.

[Wulzzz]

Yea, HC are able to use a much superior build but you need to hierloom the lightxbow or its way too slow.

[Casimir]

HC is a joke

[Murmillus_Prime]

Best thing about HC is the damage!

[PsyKoZe]

HC is a joke

So are you

Anyway i like the idea i'll try it:D

[LordRichrich]

Best HC build IM is 12/24. Enough str to use heavy xbow when you go inf and enough PS to be good in melee
also 100 wpf in 1h (post patch) is awesome

[IG_Saint]

Best HC build IM is 12/24. Enough str to use heavy xbow when you go inf and enough PS to be good in melee
also 100 wpf in 1h (post patch) is awesome

Why would you go 1h as a HC? light xbow+bolts=2 slots, so you can still take a 2h or polearm. You could take a 1h+shield, but I see little point in that. Usually it's your horse that gets killed, shield costs skill points and 2h/pole both do more damage and are easier to use with little wpf.

[Paul]

With the upcoming slot mechanic going 1 hand makes sense.

[Kafein]

With the upcoming slot mechanic going 1 hand makes sense.

And it's better for people trying to roleplay a plausible crossbowman.

[Seawied]

Hey you posted my exact build! 




I have to say, out of the two, horse crossbowmen is significantly weaker than HA. Going a pure horse Xbow should only be done by people going for style points.


In a battle between the two, a HA would easily win between evenly matched players. The rate of fire disadvantage to the crossbowman paired with in ability to use cover like an infantry crossbowmen is pretty damning.

[Lt_Anders]

OOH! HX my baby!

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Strength   18   
Agility   18   


One Handed   1   [1 WPF cost]
Two Handed   1   [1 WPF cost]
Polearm   129   [7 WPF cost]
Archery   1   [1 WPF cost]
Crossbow   106   [5 WPF cost]
Throwing   1   [1 WPF cost]

Ironflesh   2   
Power Strike   6   
Shield   0   
Athletics   6   
Riding   6   
Horse Archery   3   
Power Draw   0   
Power Throw   0   
Weapon master *   6   

Equally good at Infantry Foot, Infantry Range, Mounted Range, Mounted Lace. Downside, your never faster than the pures in all 4 of those categories. Sadly, I can't use my horse and Xbow that often. The NA servers don't have a lot of Cav based maps. I can beat most HA's though. Use Sarranid and a LXbow (Heirlooming that next!) and you can beat HA's most times. But, don't try to kill the HA, Go for the horse. It's really the way to go.

Oh, and if you want, Plated charger and Full black armor. Yea, you might suck but you aren't going down ;p.

[IG_Saint]

With the upcoming slot mechanic going 1 hand makes sense.

Why? You can't reload anything above light crossbow on horse, so thats light crossbow+bolts=2 slots? that means 2 slots left for a 2h or a spear/lance. As a foot crossbowman going 1 hand makes sense. I don't see the point in doing in as a HC.

[owens]

really bad class of fighter less damage slower rate of fore heavier weaker stupider

[Seawied]

really bad class of fighter less damage slower rate of fore heavier weaker stupider

It has its advantages. Its more accurate than a horse archer, it deals pierce damage instead of cut, and its faster on horseback than the horse archer.


Overall though, in my opinion, a horse archer is a stronger class.