Who is really the greatest european nation?

[IR_Kuoin]

Greece, land of the many tourists.

[Casimir]

Oh great a thread for people to splurge nationalist sentiments at one another...

[Panos]

Oh great a thread for people to splurge nationalist sentiments at one another...

YOU CULTURE IS MR.BEAN

[Osiris]

bean is best

[darmaster]

hmm.. the greatest european nation it's hard to tell, but i could tell you what nation provided the most important (and probably the best) changes, which is roman empire (laws, latin, culture, and ofc the empire..). the strongest european; i'm not sure, undecided among england, roman empire, maybe even chocolate chip cookie german (probably not) or spanish/german empire (holy roman shit, though not really strong); these are the strongest imo.

edit: lol almost forgot, USSR also

[darmaster]

Well, if you speak about nations, Italy shouldn't be on that list imo , Italy became a nation/was unified only in the 2nd half of the 19th century  (1861 if i remeber well, and Rome was annexed only in 1870). 
Italy is one of the youngest nation in Europe, one could say that also Germany was unified around that period, but the main difference is that Italy was "divided" for like 1500 years, and the Holy Roman empire (or "Holy Roman empire of the German-ic nation" or something like that) lasted until 1800, while  Italy , or better, the Italic peninsula, was completely fragmented in many states/kingdoms etc...  it's not a case that in italy there are so many different dialects.
     
I think nations like France, England-GB, Spain ( Spain is quite  culturally diverse. I woulnd't be   suprised, for example, if Catalonia would become fully indipenent in the future. Anyway Spain was politically unified many centuries before italy and other nations. ), Austria-Hungary and  Germany, definetly   played  a more important role in Europe and not only. ( at least since late middle ages till modern era).

Voted England-GB


Greatest Ancient-Old civilizations : Ancient Greeks, Romans and Celts

totally agree, but talking about "nations" may allow him to use italy as word to represent us, since, since roman empire, an idea of "italian nation" existed.

[Panos]

hmm.. the greatest european nation it's hard to tell, but i could tell you what nation provided the most important (and probably the best) changes, which is roman empire (laws, latin, culture, and ofc the empire..). the strongest european; i'm not sure, undecided among england, roman empire, maybe even chocolate chip cookie german (probably not) or spanish/german empire (holy roman shit, though not really strong); these are the strongest imo.

edit: lol almost forgot, USSR also

Dude, roman empire was built on the foundations of Alexander`s empire, after his death, his successors started fighting each other and the romans owned them all easily because they were weak.

Also, 90% of roman laws, culture and other stuff, was inspired by Greeks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece


educate yourself.

[Garond_PL]

Greatest history : Poland/Lithuania , Russia and Germany (HRE - emperors fighting with pope and electors)

[darmaster]

Dude, roman empire was built on the foundations of Alexander`s empire, after his death, his successors started fighting each other and the romans owned them all easily because they were weak.

Also, 90% of roman laws, culture and other stuff, was inspired by Greeks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece


educate yourself.

wowo are you serious? roman laws taken from greeks? only thing was taken from greeks was literature, phylosophy and art, things that alone can't build a great empire; the greatness of rome wasn't built thanks to greeks. 
also, i can tell you that alexander could do what he did only because the persian empire (where alexander found his wealth and managed to conquer lands) was lead by idiots, and noone but macedonians were strong enough in those times; on the other hand you can't say that romans were the only one enough strong, since they defeated carthage that was lead by the greatest strategist of all time, hannibal.

i may need to educate myself as everyone, always, needs to, but panos, you need to look over your nationalism.

i also would like to add that amazing things like aqueducts and roads were made by romans not thanks to greeks.

[Panos]

wowo are you serious? roman laws taken from greeks? only thing was taken from greeks was literature, phylosophy and art, things that alone can't build a great empire; the greatness of rome wasn't built thanks to greeks. 
also, i can tell you that alexander could do what he did only because the persian empire (where alexander found his wealth and managed to conquer lands) was lead by idiots, and noone but macedonians were strong enough in those times; on the other hand you can't say that romans were enough strong, since they defeated carthage that was lead by the greatest strategist of all time, hannibal.

i may need to educate myself as everyone, always, needs to, but panos, you need to look over your nationalism.

i also would like to add that amazing things like aqueducts and roads were made by romans not thanks to greeks.

Inspired and Taken are two different words.

Alexander attacked the Persians because he wanted revenge from them, Xerxes was no idiot, he had millions of soldiers, on the other hand, Alexander conquered Persia with 40~k Greeks, now that must be something.

Also, Ceaser and Napoleon used tactics inspired by Alexander first.
and also a great leader is not only the one that wins wars, but the one that spreads culture and civil rights to other countries.

Alexander was named Faraoh, and there are a lot of cities with his name.

You may want to rethink who is the best Strategist of all time..

[Casimir]

nope hes too gay to be of any note

[Ronin]

What does the option "other..." stands for?

[darmaster]

Inspired and Taken are two different words.

Alexander attacked the Persians because he wanted revenge from them, Xerxes was no idiot, he had millions of soldiers, on the other hand, Alexander conquered Persia with 40~k Greeks, now that must be something.

Also, Ceaser and Napoleon used tactics inspired by Alexander first.
and also a great leader is not only the one that wins wars, but the one that spreads culture and civil rights to other countries.

Alexander was named Faraoh, and there are a lot of cities with his name.

You may want to rethink who is the best Strategist of all time..

hmm not really; xerses didn't fight with alexander since he died long time before; alexander was a great leader with charm, but he didn't fight at all for revenge, he fought because of his lust. as i said he was an inspiring leader, as people like napoleon or gengis khan were, but the politycal system he left wasn't totally that good: in fact, as you said, his empire has been split up and fell down easily after his death, while roman empire (for long time republic) lasted for almost 1000 years. also he didn't spread out any culture, on the other side he got conquered by eastern culture (he was divinizing himself).

i'm pretty sure that hannibal barça has been the greatest strategist of all time, and i'm also sure alexander wasn't.

[Fringe]

Inspired and Taken are two different words.

Alexander attacked the Persians because he wanted revenge from them, Xerxes was no idiot, he had millions of soldiers, on the other hand, Alexander conquered Persia with 40~k Greeks, now that must be something.

Also, Ceaser and Napoleon used tactics inspired by Alexander first.
and also a great leader is not only the one that wins wars, but the one that spreads culture and civil rights to other countries.

Alexander was named Faraoh, and there are a lot of cities with his name.

You may want to rethink who is the best Strategist of all time..

Alexanders antagonist...if even that, was Darius. Also he wasn't inspired by vengeance, but with lust and at the beginning; national prejudice.

On a second note, I don't believe Caesar was ever inspired by Alexander. They came from two different cultures with different beliefs, views, etc. Napoleon on the other hand was a student of military history I believe. I don't know who his heroes were, but Alexander could have been on of them.

[Overdriven]

Also, i may not agree with the whole post, but dis ship :')You won't understand if you're American, we don't salute to our flag, we don't pledge our allegiance to the state every day at school from a young age, you could quite frankly wipe your ass on the Union Jack and i wouldn't mind, i'd find it amusing. But if you fuck with my precious Victory then i'll full-on pull your arm off and beat you to death with the bloody stump Beowulf style.

10x this!