Who is really the greatest european nation?

[Tears of Destiny]

Yes i am. Nothing more than usa propaganda makes people's opinion about Russia.

So I suppose dropping booby-trapped children's toys in Afghanistan is just propaganda and not at all a war crime far above what other nations usually commit, nor is replacing the majority of the Eastern Orthodox church with KGB agents a particularly bad move (clever, since people confess), not even counting all of those purges while 'consolidating' the USSR?     Even reading the Warsaw Pact articles you can see that it (Russia) is pretty draconian towards a few countries like Poland.


Regardless, the greatest European nation is clearly whichever one has the happiest citizens and has eliminated the most strife.

* Tears of Destiny walks out of the thread before getting caught in political arguments, waving goodbye to all of the silly people.

[Torben]

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Comparing Regimes by there amount of pissing on humanity and civilaization is like comparing piles of shit by there  appearance - tasteless.  Just ask the victems of either side.

Also, soviet russia might not have succeded without western help,  as there own economy probably wouldndt have kicken in in time before getting steam rolled without above mentioned deliveries.  Also quit lucky the japs didnt come in from the east.   In my book we (including russia) owe our freedom to the US.

[Torben]

Yes i am. Nothing more than usa propaganda makes people's opinion about Russia.

You are quite brainwashed... probably also too young to have at least remotelessly what wenn on. Same nostalgic ignorance is going on in germany about the DDR

[Firebrand]

You are talking about millions and millions killed citizens by bloody soviet regime, but noone of you think about where from they took such numbers? There is no documentary evidences of "millions and millions" killed ppl. Its just opinions based on USA propaganda started in 1945 by mr. Allen Dalles, they learnt how to make PR from dr. Goebels' Ministry Of Propaganda in Third Reich, he was master of black PR.
All in all european ppl was happy when Germany was fallen by soviet army. Cause nothing can compare with brown terror when few millions of civilians was murdered in concentration camps(there is a lot of evidence sources for that).
 I don't deny economical help from USA. It was very helpfull, yes. Also it was lucky for us that Jap was so stupid to attack USA not USSR.(Who knows if they didn't attack USA maybe USA stayed neutral). But noone can deny that soviet soldiers killed more wehrmach soldiers in war than anyone else. Soviet armies defeated elite armies of whermach and Waffen-SS. War was decided in eastern front. After Stalingrad and Kursk. Noone could beat wehrmach before russian did. France fell in few weeks, Stalingrad was defended few months and DIDN'T fell.   
 I am not trying to say that  USSR was nice and democratic empire or something. But we stand for right in that war. That war was against Humanity(if you forgot or didn't know), it was proven in Nuremberg in 1946.
 

[Firebrand]

You are quite brainwashed... probably also too young to have at least remotelessly what wenn on. Same nostalgic ignorance is going on in germany about the DDR

I am sure that "nostalgic ignorance about DDR" is better that "nostalgic stupidy about Third Reich" that have place in european countries in Germany and Baltic countries aswell.

[[ptx]]

Firebrand, i can only hope that you are still but a kid, that is the only thing that could justify your horrible ignorance...  try and repeat any of this in most post-soviet countries, the number of your missing teeth would be documentary evidence enough?

Really, just stop posting.

[Firebrand]

Ignorant nostalgia?

[Segd]

So I suppose dropping booby-trapped children's toys in Afghanistan is just propaganda and not at all a war crime far above what other nations usually commit, nor is replacing the majority of the Eastern Orthodox church with KGB agents a particularly bad move (clever, since people confess), not even counting all of those purges while 'consolidating' the USSR?     Even reading the Warsaw Pact articles you can see that it (Russia) is pretty draconian towards a few countries like Poland.

1)"Due in part to anti-Soviet sentiment and the high casualties among children because of this mine, there are widespread rumors in Afghanistan that the mine was deliberately designed to attract children; in reality, the mine's shape was dictated by aerodynamics." (c) Wikipedia

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2)Yep, Russian Orthodox church is still full of former KGB agents, same goes for our "democratic" government

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Anyway, voted for Germany, since their ppl could always rise from deep shit(after WWI, WWII & German reunification in 1990).

[Firebrand]

[ptx], in period 1941-1955 in Latvia was killed(executed) by soviet repressions few thousand latvians( about 6000), according latvian historics(Янис Риекстиньш - for example). So why are you talking about millions upon millions? Oh yeah, sure, cause i am ignorant kid, i forgot and historical research does mean nothing to you!

[[ptx]]

According to Jānis Riekstiņš (Янис Риекстиньш?), in '38 and '39, out of the 26k latvians living in SU, 17k were tortured and killed, based purely on their nationality, the rest being repressed as well.

The period of 1941-1955... just... how do you come up with this bullshit? How are you not banned for this utter crap?

[Firebrand]

How i not banned for not to be brainwashed?

You guys vote for Germany admit their power and ability to ressurect from ashes, and just close your eyes on all that criminal bullshit chocolate chip cookies did. And when someone talk about Russia, you just take joker from your sleeves and say: "repressions","millions upon millions" etc. No matter what period meant soviet or not. I feel you just have pre-made opinions by propaganda.

First stop SS-veteran marches and other neo-chocolate chip cookie shit in your country and then say about repressions!

[LordBerenger]

"nostalgic stupidy about Third Reich" that have place in european countries in Germany and Baltic countries aswell.

Probably only true thing you've said so far in this thread.

[Torben]

Fire:  I concur that the war was won on the "eastfront" (do you call it westfron btw?^^)

personally,  I have a problem with nations,  national pride,  nationalism n all that anyway.  I dont see why two people should hate or even fight each other only because they were born on a different piece of dirt.  Imo,  nations themselves get misused, even violated by a small group of people following personal interests in one way or the other.   

I do understand if one is biased towards ones nation,  I was there.  And I have thought about it a lot and came to above conclusion.   
By talking about your age,  I did not want to belittle your opinion,  it was just a way to defend your imo naiv or simplistic pride of the deeds a former regime situated where now your country is fulfilled. 

I could imagine that you and I have some sort of communication problems due to our different mother tongues.

btw,  I live in germany but am of eastern european origin,  and my family suffered from all wars and regimes alike,  do not think I am sympathizing with chocolate chip cookie germany.

do however consider the feelings of people that suffered under totalitarian regimes,  before glorifying them.

[Segd]

I am sure that "nostalgic ignorance about DDR" is better that "nostalgic stupidy about Third Reich" that have place in european countries in Germany and Baltic countries aswell.

"Russian March" in Moscow, 04.11.12(few weeks ago)

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[Firebrand]

Probably only true thing you've said so far in this thread.

Nah, its just only thing you agree with, doesn't mean that other things are not true!

Anyway i didn't want touch all those politics around the world, especially when my English too bad to express all i want.
For those who didn't understood, - i never denied repressions made by stalin regime and other shit, its abominations in my eyes, but every nation has its own abominations in their history and we should remember it.
Peace for all!