Who is really the greatest european nation?

[Siiem]

Clearly it's Macedonia, of old.

[Charlemagne_De_Kingsmith]

That certainly explains why the birth rate is increasing in the same speed as twenty years ago. So if all borders were shut down right now the native population would still increase faster then the Muslim one

Actually no, the birth rate is way to low in Sweden, it may have been still rising then but that was twenty years ago, today it is mostly from families who have immigrated since then. Not enough native swedish have children. Actually the birth rate of most European nations means that the native populations are declining rapidly, this rapid decline in the native population is fixed with mass immigration, mostly from Muslim countries. The Muslim population within each of these countries will keep having large families and will outgrow the native and other smaller populations who will eventually become minorities in their own countries. A similar thing happened in the Roman world where Romans abandoned having large families or children all together, as Hierocles said 'most people' seem to decline to raise (some of) their children for a not very lofty reason, love of wealth and the belief that poverty (penia) is a terrible evil. The only groups within the Roman Empire that were growing were the Jews and Christians. Now if the current demographic trend continues it will be as it was then the Muslims will eventually become the majority in Europe.

Also, why do you have such a problem with Muslims anyways? What point are you trying to make?

I think the point he's trying to make is that he's xenophobic and terrified of Muslims.

Actually yeah Im terrified of Muslims but Im not xenophobic, I love other cultures (especially Arabic, the Arabic language itself is beautiful.) and I love other races. Islam though is equal to Na'zism, the quran is a manifesto of hate (much like Hitleers Mien Kampf) left by an Arab with the intent on gaining wealth and property.

Why am I afraid of Islam?

Well if one is a Muslim then that means that he or she adheres to the quran, right? So if a Muslim has to pray or fast its because its written in the quran and the faithful have to abide by what is written. So if it says in At-Tawbah 9:5. So, when the sacred months expire, kill the Mushriks wherever you find them, and catch them and besiege them and sit in ambush for them everywhere. Then, if they repent and establish Salāh and pay Zakāh, leave their way. Surely, Allah is most Forgiving, Very-Merciful. And in At-Tawbah 9:29. Fight those People of the Book who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and do not take as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared as unlawful, and do not profess the Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are subdued. Or when it says in the Bukhari in Volume 4, book 52, #196; Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" Do they follow that as well, or do they just ignore that and do the praying five times a day? No they have to follow that, if your a Muslim you must do as Muhammad commanded.

But you can keep up that delusion that Muslims are this great and terrible threat and you're the only person smart enough to see them

Delusion? You mean the delusion that Muslims don't assimilate?

Mustafa Carroll, executive director of the Dallas-Fort Worth CAIR branch; “If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land.”

Al-Imran

3:28. The believers must not take the disbelievers as friends instead of the believers.
And whoever does that has no relation with Allah whatsoever, unless you (do so) as a protective measure (in order to) save yourself from them. Allah warns you of Himself, for unto Allah is the return.


Am I the only smart one to see the threat? Well it seems like Im the only one here in these forums that see's it. But I never came here to convince you 

But hows this go ask the Coptic Christians of Egypt how they feel persecuted by the Muslims in Egypt and how they are treated daily with their children being kidnapped by Muslims to be sold or to be forced to convert to Islam. What about the Christians in Pakistan, I'm sure they will have some stories to tell you. Those who are condemned to live in slums just because they are christian. Maybe you can go ask Nigerian Christians how little ole Boko Haram is treating them, hold up hold up hold up maybe you should travel to a place where the brutal Indonesian government is running a brutal apartheid that is occupying West Papua, where Indonesians are massacring Christians and other native groups on a daily basis all because they want freedom, then after traveling there you could head on up to Sulawesi in Indonesia and ask the local Christians there how beautiful Islam is treating them there? I could go on and on but I think I made my point.
EVERYONE OF THESE ethnic and religious groups are being slaughtered like cattle at the hands of Allah's holy jihadi's who do just as Muhammad commanded them to, the man who said in Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52 Number 196: "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords."



Ah but hey, as Capra said in Why we fight; 'It was impossible to convince a farm boy in Iowa or a driver of a London bus or waiter in Paris cafe that he should go to war because a mud hut in Manchuria'

As it is now its almost impossible to convince blind sheep that they are being led to the slaughter.


"Pearls before swine"



Links

Child-Exposure in the Roman Empire
Hierocles said 'most people' seem to decline...
http://rbedrosian.com/Sex02/Harris_1994_Child-Exposure_Roman.pdf

At-Tawbah 9:5
http://www.altafsir.com/ViewTranslations.asp?Display=yes&SoraNo=9&Ayah=5&toAyah=5&Language=2&LanguageID=2&TranslationBook=9

At-Tawbah 9:29
http://www.altafsir.com/ViewTranslations.asp?Display=yes&SoraNo=9&Ayah=29&toAyah=29&Language=2&LanguageID=2&TranslationBook=9

Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196
http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_4_52.php

Al-Imran 3:28
http://www.altafsir.com/ViewTranslations.asp?Display=yes&SoraNo=3&Ayah=28&toAyah=28&Language=2&LanguageID=2&TranslationBook=9

Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196: "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords."
http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_4_52.php

"If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land."
http://watchdogwire.com/texas/2013/03/06/bills-protecting-texans-from-non-american-laws-draw-criticism-at-muslim-capitol-day-rally/

Asia’s Palestine? West Papua's Independence Struggle
http://thediplomat.com/2013/11/asias-palestine-west-papuas-independence-struggle/

Egypt - Persecution: Disappearing Christians of the Middle East
http://www.meforum.org/23/egypt-persecution

Muslim Persecution of Christians: January, 2013
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/03/muslim-persecution-of-christians-january-2013-2608214.html

Why Christian Persecution Is Islams Achilles Heel
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/why-christian-persecution-is-islams-achilles-heel/

Egypt: Coptic Christian children kidnapped for profit
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/egypt-coptic-christian-children-kidnapped-for-profit

Nigerian Muslims kill over one hundred Christians
http://upww.us/vinienco/2012/07/11/nigerian-muslims-kill-christians/

Boko Haram kill Christian worshippers and burn churches in latest Nigeria attack
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10934291/Boko-Haram-kill-Christian-worshippers-and-burn-churches-in-latest-Nigeria-attack.html

[Charlemagne_De_Kingsmith]

You clearly have no idea 

What don't I get, could you clarify please

[Bittersteel]

Actually no, the birth rate is way to low in Sweden, it may have been still rising then but that was twenty years ago, today it is mostly from families who have immigrated since then. Not enough native swedish have children. Actually the birth rate of most European nations means that the native populations are declining rapidly, this rapid decline in the native population is fixed with mass immigration, mostly from Muslim countries. The Muslim population within each of these countries will keep having large families and will outgrow the native and other smaller populations who will eventually become minorities in their own countries. A similar thing happened in the Roman world where Romans abandoned having large families or children all together, as Hierocles said 'most people' seem to decline to raise (some of) their children for a not very lofty reason, love of wealth and the belief that poverty (penia) is a terrible evil. The only groups within the Roman Empire that were growing were the Jews and Christians. Now if the current demographic trend continues it will be as it was then the Muslims will eventually become the majority in Europe.

I'd really want to know where you get your information from cause it's wrong. Unless the Swedish government is lying to me, an Australian guy that hates muslims says that we will become a minority in our own country and that our birth rate is actually going down without the muslims and we should take up a fight now seems very convenient.

[Tovi]

Rome (Italy) was the greatest and most powerfull in Europe (for at last 1000 years....).

The second one would be France, as it was the most powerfull, populated and richest for a long time. Even if its power has always been balanced by its neirbourghs. French was the common language of the european aristocracy for centuries.

Third would be the British empire. But it lasted only 2 centuries (more or less), and England has never been the main power in Europe.

[Overdriven]

O jeez this Charlamagne guy 

Seriously sit down and read the Quran fully and go over the context of the various quotes you posted. If you have half a brain, you would realise just how simple minded your outlook is.

Debating with people such as you is utterly pointless because you are already convinced of your own bullshit.

Now get back on topic bitch.

[Xant]

O jeez this Charlamagne guy 

Seriously sit down and read the Quran fully and go over the context of the various quotes you posted. If you have half a brain, you would realise just how simple minded your outlook is.

Debating with people such as you is utterly pointless because you are already convinced of your own bullshit.

Now get back on topic bitch.

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed" -Quran

[lombardsoup]

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed" -Quran

Could I know where to look so that I may read this in the actual text and laugh hysterically?

[Angantyr]

Excerpts from the Talmud and the Old Testament in a similar strain:

If a boy under the age of nine perpetrated sodomy upon an adult, the adult is not liable for punishment, for the intercourse of a boy under nine years of age is not legally an act of intercourse. Since a child less than nine years old cannot commit sodomy, he can also not be the object of sodomy.

A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.

A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.

A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat

A Jew may misuse the non-Jewess in her state of unbelief.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[Overdriven]

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed" -Quran

Nice little quote that isn't from the Quran but written by a lovely Iranian guy in the 60's.

As far as I could tell from some quick googling it was his way of interpreting this section of the Quran:
65.4. Those of your women who have passed the age of monthly courses (or those who for some reason do not have monthly periods) – if you are in uncertainty about it – their waiting-period is three (lunar) months. As for the women who are pregnant (whether divorced or widows), their waiting-period is until they deliver their burden. Whoever keeps from disobedience to God in reverence for Him and piety, He makes his affair easy for him.

This is to do with re-marriage as defined in an earlier verse, not consummation or any other form of sexual act. Although there are a dozen different translations of this due to the difficulty of translating the very old, poetic form of Arabic that is the Quran.

Anyway, as smart as you are I'm sure you knew that and are just here to cause trouble.

[lombardsoup]

Nice little quote that isn't from the Quran but written by a lovely Iranian guy in the 60's.

As far as I could tell from some quick googling it was his way of interpreting this section of the Quran:
65.4. Those of your women who have passed the age of monthly courses (or those who for some reason do not have monthly periods) – if you are in uncertainty about it – their waiting-period is three (lunar) months. As for the women who are pregnant (whether divorced or widows), their waiting-period is until they deliver their burden. Whoever keeps from disobedience to God in reverence for Him and piety, He makes his affair easy for him.

This is to do with re-marriage as defined in an earlier verse, not consummation or any other form of sexual act. Although there are a dozen different translations of this due to the difficulty of translating the very old, poetic form of Arabic that is the Quran.

Anyway, as smart as you are I'm sure you knew that and are just here to cause trouble.

Had a feeling Xant was bullshitting.  I bothered to look up the Khomeini rant he pulled that BS from....sure enough, there it is word for word

[Xant]

You've outdone yourself this time, you went full potato. That analogy would only work if there were people believing those old laws were written by Gods, and were the word of God... oh wait, then it'd be called a religion, and those laws would be the equivalent of a holy book for them, and we're back at the beginning.

[Bittersteel]

Everytime an argument goes bad for you Xant you find something else to bash on. That's pretty funny to be honest.

[darmaster]

saying england was the greatest nation of all time is just as stupid as saying england had never been on top of the world, or saying islam or any religion based on book/laws that never change is not so bad :/

[Teeth]

Many Christians believe that God used humans to write the Bible, which makes the point stand that they see the entire Bible as 'the word of God' and every word has been sanctioned by God. Modern Protestants, at least the ones among whom I grew up, actually regard the entire Bible as true and relevant today, they simply tend to avoid the very difficult passages for this era or go the 'God is holy and his standards are unachievable in human society' route. Perhaps you have something to learn about religion yourself.