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Remove free gear for groups bigger than 100 troops?

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Re: Remove free gear for groups > 100
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2012, 09:22:22 pm »
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Then do it?

I did and took like 700 crates.

Sad thing on this: If you lose a lot of troops and gear in that fight, 700 crates hardly even your losses on gear. Esp.  for troops you have to keep in mind that it takes some days to recruit them back.
The logic of war seems to be that if a belligerent can fight he will fight.

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Re: Remove free gear for groups > 100
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2012, 09:48:49 pm »
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You could try buying troops, you should pick at least one faction to be friendly with so you have a safe place to buy gear and sell shit.

I've found cavalry to be very effective against unarmed armies, the scythes and pitchforks simply cannot compete with a heavy lance, and the arrows do little damage to rounceys and almost nothing to anything with armor.

I just saw an army only lose 5 troops after attacking a peasant army, with even teams, and the attackers didn't even have that great of gear.
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Re: Remove free gear for groups > 100
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2012, 09:53:53 pm »
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Sad thing on this: If you lose a lot of troops and gear in that fight, 700 crates hardly even your losses on gear. Esp.  for troops you have to keep in mind that it takes some days to recruit them back.

What kind of expensive gear are you buying?????

All you need for 400 man army to beat their peasant automatic gear is 400 gambeson quality armor with 1 gold each foot and head armor (400 each then), 10 horn bows and 5 xbows (reused over and over again), 20 short bows, 200 arrows, 100 bolts, 150 cudgels, 100 yellow practice shields, 40 falchions, 40 board shields, 100 tridents, 25 scythes or boar spears, 50 practice longswords, 25 axes.
Cost: Under 5000 gold

Your ranged will devastate their bow using asses. and you have equivalent melee gear which is all you need with their crappy armor.

Optional for additional devastating value: 20 rouncies, 20 heavy lances
Goods : 700
Price: 50-75 gold based on average distance trade
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Profit: 30K+

If you double the number of quality gear you still have less than 10,000.  The hardest 2 things are actually getting 400+ troops (good to have a small bandit clan of 2-3 friends cuts the time in half to a third) and then getting a full roster for the attack - best chance on that is to attack at prime time.  Getting 1-2 people to join your cause not hat hard - talk to people in game, find people without clan tags.
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Re: Remove free gear for groups > 100
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2012, 10:26:57 pm »
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Well in the battles I fought so far were very few archers (like 1 or 2 per team at max), though often bows were available. Maybe thats different on NA.
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Re: Remove free gear for groups > 100
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2012, 12:25:51 am »
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well i attacked an unarmed clan guy that had 100 troops with like 70 lightly equipped of mine. the free gear was almost better than the one i had and i had to earn money for it the whole fucking week. not to mention - i of course lost the battle. free gear is bs. at least on a current level. its just to good.
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Re: Remove free gear for groups > 100
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2012, 02:38:54 am »
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well i attacked an unarmed clan guy that had 100 troops with like 70 lightly equipped of mine. the free gear was almost better than the one i had and i had to earn money for it the whole fucking week. not to mention - i of course lost the battle. free gear is bs. at least on a current level. its just to good.

What the hell did you buy that was worse than the free gear? Buying even 10 swords or spears would have made it worth it for 30 troops.
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Re: Remove free gear for groups > 100
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2012, 05:56:29 am »
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Just make a poll so we can vote for what we think
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Re: Remove free gear for groups > 100
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2012, 08:42:22 am »
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What the hell did you buy that was worse than the free gear? Buying even 10 swords or spears would have made it worth it for 30 troops.

Well the difference is that you get free gear for (almost?) all of your troops. So you wont run out of weapons for instance. That of course can happen if you don't have free gear and did not bought stuff for all your men and the enemy loots everything during battle.

Also the free stuff is normal stuff, while the most cheap things you can buy are broken -2 stuff and that makes quite a difference. I've seen a few fights now with free stuff on one side and some of the attackers had heavy losses though they had better gear.

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