S&D is basically shit

[Haboe]

One solution is smaller trade caravans.

http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/sd-and-movement-speed-with-goods/

In short, this link above contains a suggestion in which you need troops and horses to be able to move with goods. Limiting the amount of tradegoods you can carry. Smaller caravan, less S&D drained each visit > more intensive trading, same total amount of gold in the game.

[Lemmy_Winks]

S&D is what is going to make strat competitive and somewhat of a challenge. People run out of SD they need more land and wars happen. If you want to play an easy game where everything is handed to you play wow.

[PhantomZero]

I think another big reason S&D is shit is because nobody is upgrading their fief's prosperity. Everyone is going for cheaper/more masterworked weapons and armors.

[Haboe]

I think another big reason S&D is shit is because nobody is upgrading their fief's prosperity. Everyone is going for cheaper/more masterworked weapons and armors.

Most villages have spend their points only prosperity and price.
Castles is where the equipment is made most.

[Lordark]

perhaps a 2 good to 1 troop and horse ratio to trade good would achieve a curb in the s and D whoring going on in the realm.

[Tibe]

S&D is shit. I would have disagreed with a week ago, but now I hate the hell out of it. Its been a week of pointlessly traveling the world map with a bunch of my Dried Leather goods like a total jackass.

No point of waiting for the S&D to go up, people are in a huge line for that. Wantz to travel to a village that has high H&D? Good luck with that, by the time you reach it, its 0 or the owners will just tax the shit out of you. And you say that fiefowners are just stupid and want the MW weapons faster. Well why the hell do I have to suffer for it than, just cause I want to trade abit?

[CrazyCracka420]

S&D is shit. I would have disagreed with a week ago, but now I hate the hell out of it. Its been a week of pointlessly traveling the world map with a bunch of my Dried Leather goods like a total jackass.

No point of waiting for the S&D to go up, people are in a huge line for that. Wantz to travel to a village that has high H&D? Good luck with that, by the time you reach it, its 0 or the owners will just tax the shit out of you. And you say that fiefowners are just stupid and want the MW weapons faster. Well why the hell do I have to suffer for it than, just cause I want to trade abit?

Because those fiefs have no need for your wares, they've already spent all the money they can afford on other goods.

[Boss_Awesome]

The S&D system is pretty cool, it creates drama and opportunities for exploitation.  I think it needs to regenerate a bit faster though.

[Lt_Anders]

The S&D system is pretty cool, it creates drama and opportunities for exploitation.  I think it needs to regenerate a bit faster though.

Put points into it.

In honesty, the places that SHOULD have high goods costs are Cities. Nova Tulga has 400 prosperity and 22 goods price. As you can see, that's a PERFECT trade city, it only lacks in taxes.

People just refuse to see that you need to make dedicated trade zones and villages JUST DON"T WORK. If you REALLY want to make proper selling zones, you need to spec out a city for it. Cities can do +14 prosperity per day, castles 10, villages 2. I think people more care about gear rather than the effect a proper economic investment is going to do for you.

[Boss_Awesome]

I think the system could be WAY better, though.  I made a post in the suggestion forum about it.  Supply and Demand should be separate entities.  Trade should benefit everyone, right now it is basically theft.  That being said I still like the drama it causes and that it really gets people "map aware". 

[Lt_Anders]

I think the system could be WAY better, though.  I made a post in the suggestion forum about it.  Supply and Demand should be separate entities.  Trade should benefit everyone, right now it is basically theft.  That being said I still like the drama it causes and that it really gets people "map aware".

Disagree about them being seperate. But I DO agree that because of it, Trading sucks. TKOV, KUTT, HOSP, FIDLGB, CHAOS, HERO PARTY ALL have closed borders. That's 90% of the strat map. That leaves ME, REMNANT, NH, LLJK, CHEVALIERS(unless they changed again) as OPEN FOR TRADE a total of maybe...19 fiefs.

BTW If you are that, Kwisatz Haderach can I be a freeman?(I can't think of any awesome characters in that series, but it has been awhile)

[CrazyCracka420]

Disagree about them being seperate. But I DO agree that because of it, Trading sucks. TKOV, KUTT, HOSP, FIDLGB, CHAOS, HERO PARTY ALL have closed borders. That's 90% of the strat map. That leaves ME, REMNANT, NH, LLJK, CHEVALIERS(unless they changed again) as OPEN FOR TRADE a total of maybe...19 fiefs.

BTW If you are that, Kwisatz Haderach can I be a freeman?(I can't think of any awesome characters in that series, but it has been awhile)

Because not controlling your S&D is a mistake for factions (unless they have 25% tax or more).  You can make way more buying your goods and selling in a faraway land (who you probably need a trade agreement with) than just having loose trade agreements where people can buy all your goods, or sell all their goods and take all your s&d.

Either way it's bad to let your s&d be raped.