Have long stabbing weapons dumbed down the game?

[Banok]

I feel that the drastically increased prevalance of long stabbing weapons, especially long spear and hoplites, has made mele fights more about numbers and less about skill. The argument being it is much harder to fight outnumbered when enemy has these weapons, for (hopefully) obvious reasons. This may have reduced the skill ceiling of the game.

The counter argument would be these weapons promote teamplay, make the game more about teamplay less about ramboing. I think this is also valid arguement, so it comes down to ones opinion on what is more important; teamwork or personal skill.

What do you guys think, is my reasoning valid? if so which is more important to you?

[Lorenzo_of_Iberia]

Anything that encourages team play and reduces ramboing is a good thing imo. Every class performs better when supported.

[Mlekce]

meh mode bacame shit.
If archers doesn't bully you,you will get killed by arabian pony lancer,or get ganked by hoplites who insta stab,or get spammed by 2h mace users or glaive poleaxers who backpedal.
If this combination doesn't kill you,you will die to 35 lvl shielder.

I am pray for all classes now. Q.Q

[karasu]

>nope.jpg


   Alas, the game was already dumbed down by all the slow ass animations and co. where a single fight between two good players would turn out to be an endurance test rather than e-skill or visual memory.


   This dumbing down on the bright side, encouraged team-play and the multiplicity of "classes".

[Miwiw]

Day 1: Archers
Day 2: Archers and Crossbowmen
Day 3: Cavalry
Day 4: Archers
Day 5: 2h nerds
Day 6: Long Spears and Pikes
Day 7: Cavalry
Day 8: Archers
Day 9: Crossbowmen
Day 10: Shielders
Day 11: Throwers
Day 12: Throwers
Day 13: Throwers
Day 14: Archers
Day 15: Cavalry AND Archers
Day 16: Cavalry
Day 17: Long Spear and Pikes
Day 18: Long Spear and Pikes
Day 19: Archers
Day 20: Cavalry, Archers, Archers, Archers and Cavalry
Day 21: Long Spear and Pikes
Day 22: Throwers
Day 23: Long Spear and Pikes
Day 24: Throwers and Shielders AND Cavalry
Day 25: ARCHERS ON HORSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Day 26: Long Spear and Pikes
Day 27: Working all day, no crpg
Day 28: Long Spear, Pikes, Archers, Cavalry, Shielders, 2h nerds, Throwers, Crossbowmen, Archers ON HORSEEEEEEEEEEEE
Day 29: Death

ye, thats my diary of rage (or Wiltzu's plan when to respec)

[Haboe]

I think all those long spears and such inspire for teamwork, and force melee players to better battle positioning.
Using your longsword when there are so many spear in front of you is hard, so you have to find other ways then simply charging straight in.
Attack from the side/ from behind.

Also shielders are more needed to protect those pikemen from ranged attacks. I often see pikeman and shielders stick together, making a very effective couple.

So yea, they promote teamwork and better battle awareness.

[Banok]

Haha I find it funny people are downvoting, does that mean you think these weapons don't promote teamplay? ;p maybe you should actually read the thread not just the title.

[Tzar]

I dont care about archers cav or pikemen or soft super agi 2h´s ......

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Hint:... get some throwing problem solved....



Tzar this is not 4chan, you can simply use spoilers ;). -SoO

[Son Of Odin]

Haha I find it funny people are downvoting, does that mean you think these weapons don't promote teamplay? ;p maybe you should actually read the thread not just the title.

Did you consider the possibility that the only thing they read was your name?

[Zanze]

So because you now actually have to make the decision of whether or not you will join the specific fight, and if you do who you will gun for the skill ceiling is...lower? So being forced to make actual decisions ingame is making the game...dumber?

Seriously, if you are having trouble with certain people using teamwork you should consider getting some friends. If you have some already, start playing together instead of running off. Pikes/Hoplites/Longspears sacrifice their 1v1 capabilities to excel in teamwork situations, you chose to be a duelist they chose to be a teamplayer. I'm not saying they can't 1v1, but they have a much easier time in groups. Just like you kinda have an easier time 1v1 while struggling in groups.

There is more to skill than just knowing how to feint/hold or block.

[Skyline]

There is more to skill than just knowing how to feint/hold or block.

There is, but its unbelievable how many people dont block at all lol....

[Haboe]

There is, but its unbelievable how many people dont block at all lol....

As far as i know there is 1 of them on eu servers. Ivani

[Grumpy_Nic]

Pikes/Hoplites/Longspears sacrifice their 1v1 capabilities to excel in teamwork situations, you chose to be a duelist they chose to be a teamplayer. I'm not saying they can't 1v1, but they have a much easier time in groups. Just like you kinda have an easier time 1v1 while struggling in groups.

This. In almost every game I've played I rather chose the support role cuz I'm better at it. Polearms give me the possibility to be a supporter in this game... so yeah thats cool.

[Corsair831]

I feel that the drastically increased prevalance of long stabbing weapons, especially long spear and hoplites, has made mele fights more about numbers and less about skill. The argument being it is much harder to fight outnumbered when enemy has these weapons, for (hopefully) obvious reasons. This may have reduced the skill ceiling of the game.

The counter argument would be these weapons promote teamplay, make the game more about teamplay less about ramboing. I think this is also valid arguement, so I could it comes down to ones opinion on what is more important; teamwork or personal skill.

What do you guys think, is my reasoning valid? if so which is more important to you?

whilst i do think that long ranged weapons have dumbed down the game (if your weapon is longer you can hit many more people in a fight much easier without having to think about your placement *cough* greatswords), i think that what's worse than long ranged weapons for skill is armour.

 use a shield to defend yourself and you know you can block every attack in front of you, use a directional block and you cant block 2 attacks at the same time, meaning you need armour, and using armour just takes literally no skill whatsoever.

saying all that though, i'm not that bothered about either issue ;)

[Exitialis]

so I could it comes

You messed up my brain.