All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE

[Kafein]

After the buff to the Danish Greatsword in next week's patch, people will regret not having bought one when it was cheap.

Expert analysis crashing the market like a pro.



Also, I don't get the point of the OP, all looms have different values and nobody ever said otherwise, wtf. Gonna - it anyway, guy's an archer enthusiast who needs to be tortured by holy - fire.


EDIT : ok

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It was about a trade he did on accident, HBS for Danish.
I told him that I would consult other admins and ask about the pricing on those items since I have no idea about the marketvalue of stuff.
Later after reviewing the one market rule we got I figured that the trade is nothing I would reverse.

I told him that I will talk to the guy anyway since the market rule does not apply to trades where equal level looms get traded for each other but only for cases where people forget a 0 in their gold value or trade a +3 for a lower level heirloom because they failed.

When I got up this morning the dude who accepted the trade reported this great PM to me, just educating everyone on how the guy approached the situation without hearing back from me:

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So I told him that I sure won't try to convince the new owner of the HBS to trade it back any further which probably was the reason for this thread and the PM where he called me a liar because I did not talk to other admins about the HBS vs Danish price.
Admittedly there was only one other admin involved in the IRC talks on this but I used the main chan since I didn't see a reason why admins could judge item value any better than other players.
Not that he bothered to ask who I talked to anyhow before declaring it a lie.

Hardly matters since the rule does not apply one way or the other and I sure won't look into this any further.

EDITED to make the context a bit clearer.

So much win.

[dreadnok]

i messed up trading a shield. i put 100k instead of 1 million. the guy was nice about and it ended when meow reveresed the trade. but put an item up for an item and then complaining cause someone in your clan said you messed up is just silly slash eortification

[Son Of Odin]

Hmm the lesson of today:

All the looms are of the same value if you happen to be a dick.

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Just saying that maybe you should think first and then trade, not the opposite. You maybe could have gotten your loom back but your behavior clearly put that option out in that pm.

[Dan lol]

It was about a trade he did on accident, HBS for Danish.
I told him that I would consult other admins and ask about the pricing on those items since I have no idea about the marketvalue of stuff.
Later after reviewing the one market rule we got I figured that the trade is nothing I would reverse.

I told him that I will talk to the guy anyway since the market rule does not apply to trades where equal level looms get traded for each other but only for cases where people forget a 0 in their gold value or trade a +3 for a lower level heirloom because they failed.

When I got up this morning the dude who accepted the trade reported this great PM to me, just educating everyone on how the guy approached the situation without hearing back from me:

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So I told him that I sure won't try to convince the new owner of the HBS to trade it back any further which probably was the reason for this thread and the PM where he called me a liar because I did not talk to other admins about the HBS vs Danish price.
Admittedly there was only one other admin involved in the IRC talks on this but I used the main chan since I didn't see a reason why admins could judge item value any better than other players.
Not that he bothered to ask who I talked to anyhow before declaring it a lie.

Hardly matters since the rule does not apply one way or the other and I sure won't look into this any further.

EDITED to make the context a bit clearer.

The moral of the story is even if you are a pretty man in a three piece suit irl you can still be a mad nerd on the internet

[Leshma]

i messed up trading a shield. i put 100k instead of 1 million. the guy was nice about and it ended when meow reveresed the trade. but put an item up for an item and then complaining cause someone in your clan said you messed up is just silly slash eortification

I did a similar thing but dude didn't give a fuck and there was no marketplace rule back then. This is even worse than Bjord complaining about market tax after he sold +3 for over the price of 3 separate loompoints

Btw. I should be complaining here because I accidentally put 300k gold in clan bank and now when I want them back I have to pay tax. Now that's bullshit!

[HardRice]

I've had a +3.

Once.

I sold it and gave the gold to a clan bank.

[Kafein]

Btw. I should be complaining here because I accidentally put 300k gold in clan bank and now when I want them back I have to pay tax. Now that's bullshit!

All that gold, so close yet distant 

[Leshma]

I don't have problem paying tax for gold you've put in there, but it hurts paying for stupid mistake I did trying to take gold from bank instead of putting it in...

But then again, I'm rich player. I should be lucky I'm paying same tax as everyone else, instead of 40% or something like that.

If this was communism, everything I own would become public good and everyone would own a small part of that. Then, 40 years later, my grandchildren will try to get it back from new cRPG democratic government

[Kafein]

I don't have problem paying tax for gold you've put in there, but it hurts paying for stupid mistake I did trying to take gold from bank instead of putting it in...

But then again, I'm rich player. I should be lucky I'm paying same tax as everyone else, instead of 40% or something like that.

If this was communism, everything I own would become public good and everyone would own a small part of that. Then, 40 years later, my grandchildren will try to get it back from new cRPG democratic government

I'm 1/8 of a russian noble family that fled the revolution.

[Tagora]

This thread is now about gang wars.

310 CRIPS HOLLA

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[SixThumbs]

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[Gurnisson]

I traded my +3 war horse for a +3 shield earlier today by mistake, I thought I was trading my arabian warhorse. I've also traded a +3 war cleaver and 700 k for +3 steel bolts by mistake (instead of a +1 cleaver, thanks angellore for returning it straight away ). On the other hand, I bought Vincent Ruth's heirloom point for 600 gold, and gave it back right after for stones. That damn Vincent owes me 599 gold now

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Why anyone would scam someone for virtual items on this game is beyond me

[TurmoilTom]

Actually, Gurnisson, stones cost 2 gold, so he only owes you 598 gold. That's a whole gold coin less!

[Joker86]

1. All loom POINTS are of the same value
2. Value and price are different things
3. When looming an item you turn the loom point to something different
4. This different thing, the loomed item, now has both a value and a price. Those things are not the same in almost any case, and the BASIC value also changes according to the usefulness of the item. As a pickaxe is better in almost any aspect than a cudgel, looming a cudgel lowers the value you have, in ANY case.
5. Prices are also determined by other factors like supply and demand, popularity, looks, etc.

In simple: you and your work mate earn the same salary. After a month both of you earn the same wage, which means you have the same value. He invests all of it into real estates, you invest all of it into used toilet paper. Although you were able to buy several tons of it, your wealth was reduced with that really bad purchase, while his wealth stayed the same. Having paid the same price for both things doesn't mean they have the same value.

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Just implement an automatic "trust" function. Once a trade has been confirmed, the trading goods are "frozen" for 24h. Within this time each trading partner can cancel the deal again and get his items back, as does the other one, of course. 90% of all problems with the marketplace solved. You're welcome.

[Gurnisson]

Actually, Gurnisson, stones cost 2 gold, so he only owes you 598 gold. That's a whole gold coin less!

Selling them on the marketplace gave me 1 gold. I want 599, not 598!

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With interests I should be near 740 gold