Not my problem

[Olwen]

From:Amanama_the_Grey
To:Olwen_Lamhban
Received:23/09/2012 23:41:39
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello
Can you please ask on forums people about this:

A day or two ago I joined The Greys, they (Hetman) asked me to give them Saren, they gave it to Bashibazouks/Barlaks. Then today Hetman took from me 2500 Gold and + mw rusbows, 40 +2 arrows, 24 two handed axes, 58 troops. He wanted me to be a bot and do nothing in Suno. So I have to leave their faction to have fun in Strategus.
Hetman gave me only 2k back and all the other things he want keep!

Do devs allow such stealing?
Down you can read the chat betweeen us:



<22:59:28> "Amanama": hello, since we cant make a deal and as member of grey you want me be a bot I have to leave The Greys, its not a big lost for you. Please give me back 2750 Gold, 24 two handed axes, 3 mw rusbows and 40 +2 arrows and 58 troops. I want my fief Saren back too or something in exchange like money or friendship you decide.
<23:06:34> "Amanama": http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/and-the-point-is/
<23:07:55> "Hetman": ye sure
<23:08:32> "Hetman": bows ar no longer in praven
<23:08:54> "Hetman": bot i will just not give u non of this things
<23:09:01> "Hetman": i got no time for that shit
<23:10:02> "Amanama": Im in Suno I gave them today to you coz u asked me.
<23:10:06> "Hetman": i send u
<23:10:08> "Hetman": 2 gold
<23:10:12> "Hetman": i that is all
<23:10:19> "Hetman": 2 k gold
<23:10:31> "Amanama": I gave you 2500 gold
<23:10:41> "Hetman": and i give u 2k
<23:11:19> "Amanama": you need to give me 500 gold and my bows and arrows and troops and axes
<23:11:41> "Hetman": like i say
<23:11:44> "Hetman": i will not
<23:11:48> "Hetman": be happy i gib u
<23:11:51> "Hetman": the cash
<23:12:05> "Hetman": and i will let u go free
<23:12:08> "Hetman": from may lands
<23:12:30> "Amanama": You want me contact the developers?
<23:12:32> "Hetman": bot if u will try buy som goods
<23:12:38> "Hetman": in may lands i will attak u
<23:12:43> "Hetman": heheh
<23:12:45> "Hetman": go go
<23:12:57> "Hetman": conntact them
<23:13:19> "Amanama": ok, you that everyone know that hetman steal things ?
<23:13:25> "Hetman": ye ye
<23:13:26> "Hetman": do this
<23:13:35> "Hetman": how old ar u say one more time
<23:13:37> "Hetman": 10?
<23:14:19> "Hetman": and try to take saren
<23:14:21> "Hetman": good luck

He gave +500 gold and banned me from TS, he kept my weapons (-2 weapons would cost 752 gold) and my fief.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Should've known better than joining the greys, sadly.
BTW: If you join Werfrieds Peasant Battalion we won't use you as a bot.

[Miwiw]

Ehm.

"For the clan I give everything." That's how it runs!

If you play strat together with your clan, you don't keep stuff you gain, it's the clan's stuff. And Hetman gave you 2k gold back, already really nice of him. :p

[Bjord]

Amanama is an incredibly annoying person, no wonder he got banned.

[Torben]

Ehm.

"For the clan I give everything." That's how it runs!

If you play strat together with your clan, you don't keep stuff you gain, it's the clan's stuff. And Hetman gave you 2k gold back, already really nice of him. :p

fuck nice,  het treated him like an ass,  which makes het an ass.  seriously where are the manners. 

edit:  takin back the ass.  fucks sake,  this forum tends to turn people into what they shouldnt be.

sorry for that.

[Jarlek]

Well this looks like it's gonna be a nice thread where everyone will discuss things respectfully and with dignity!

[Lt_Anders]

Honestly, you can't be expecting people to do that anymore on strat. You need ACTIVE people now since crafting is gone, you can't have inactive or semi-active people. Because of this, trying to turn a guy who wants to DO something into an inactive, by force is NOT waht you should be doing. Hetman is doing a very bad thing in terms of members. TBH this is why my little clan is going Free Traders rather than apart of a big alliance. Screw not doing shit, I'll go do what I want.

As for the topic: Asking a clan member to give him stuff is perfectly fine. But then member goes and asks to do SOMETHING and not bot.
I believe Tomas nailed it.

[Vovka]

   Oh shit! how low! Hetman, i am dissapointed! How could you let him get away with the money? 

If you're new In strat and in a fraction, do not expect that you entrust to fief, or the main role in faction. This trust must be earned.

[Nessaj]

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Giving some gold back is fair enough, though a very friendly action. I would have done the same. However the gear, no deal at all, that's from the fief's productions.

I personally would have sent someone to attack him as soon as he left the fief too.

However, what I think is wrong is posting personal chat logs. The only reasoning for that would be to prove someone is blatantly lying in a public conversation.

[Cicero]

amanaman >>> new grey order leader

hetman simply sux

[[ptx]]

From what i know, Amanaman joined the GO AFTER the begginning of strat, as owner of Saren, after they were doing early attacks against him. Basically, they took him in clan, took HIS stuff, then made him a bot.

[Cicero]

For fuck sake what are you waiting from strategus ? Being a knight ? Being a Lord that saves his people ? go fuckin die nerd.

Strategus is the place where big factions rule just like medieval era.


King Richard : Gather around the troops! We are going for crusade!

Lord Bla Bla : FFS richard i am not a fuckin bot

[Vibe]

I'd say balance > realism for strategus too. The fun is onesided if it's zerging that wins. Yeah, that's what happened in RL, doesn't need to happen here though.

[Torben]

Hetmans actions were fair enough,  its a game with goals after all.

I just got really pissed by the tone there.  Srly dont like people talking down to others,  especially on the basis of being a leader of a group of players in a game.

posting chatlogs sucks too though,  so I guess theyre ethically even or sth.  Still dont like the attitude of that convo.
fucks sake.

[Cicero]

The point is u are not nothing on strategus even i am nothing on strategus also vovka ; without our members we are just bot with our members we are bot also commander.

You need to understand that its not singleplayer game that u can keep playing from load game or ctrl alt del when u see that u are losing battle.

Probably hetman will go and cry because of you torben