Suggestion: Smiting or hitting with the shield

[TheGriffin88]

I've not been playing to long so I couldn't go into any specifics regarding damage or stun etc. But what about some sort of smiting skill for the shield? I'll let others suggest what specs it could have or whether it would even be welcomed.

All the best,

Ben

[MountedRhader]

Smiting? As in shield bashing?!

[TheGriffin88]

You got it, a short sharp shied bash. 

They use to have it on diablo 2 (if anyone here use to play it) and the damage it done was partly comprised of the particular type of shield used - a steel shield with spikes being the ideal.  Maybe something that does little damage but some kind of tactical usage, then again I could be way off the mark.

All the best,
Ben.

[Diomedes]

Impossible.  At least, the devs say it's hardcoded to the point of being effectively impossible.  I know, we want it too 

[Konrax]

Might be possible with the WSE.

As a shield user I +1 this, in the realm of really close fighting it should belong to the shielder not 2h fighters running in circles spamming left slash.

[Beauchamp]

if you speak about shield bashing than it works in that ancient greece mod (dunno how its called) so it can't be really hardcoded? it even works very well (left click while you're blocking with shield at the same time - it feels very natural).

[Phalanx300]

Exactly it feels like its part of ordinary Warband while playing. Definately a great addition to the mod! And realistic at the same time. So win-win. 

[Dexxtaa]

Again, this stupid topic is brought up.

I think if it could be done, that'd be great, but there's no draw back (no exposure to attacks if you miss etc), unlike the kick, which is pretty amazing if you get the hang of it. BUT the kick has a chance of failure, resulting in damage (or death), as opposed to the shield bash.

[Konrax]

Being unable to attack immediately after might be appropriate.

That way the bash is only used to support a team mate instead of breaking an enemies guard in 1v1.

Or in a 1v1 situation it gives the shield user a chance to take a breath.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Yea but in a 1v1 situation couldnt you just spam it on the other guy? I see draws happening....

[Konrax]

You would have to make it take like 5 seconds to be able to do it again.

Perhaps base the timer on how high the shield skill is maybe?

1 shield is 10 seconds, and each point in shield shaves a half second off?

That way it can't be spammed, its more effective for dedicated shield characters, but isn't an ability used to get kills specifically by the shield user.

I think it would make shield users much more valued in the think melee combats as they would focus on covering team mates and smiting enemies trying to kill others instead of the usual being a fallback wall.

[TheGriffin88]

I agree with Konrax with his sentiments there.  It doesn't necessarily need to be an attack that does any major damage at all, more for the tactical anti-spam.  If someone comes at your shield hitting constantly it could just be an attack to give you a breather, after all if someone has a 2h weapon in extremely close quaters and you have a shield you would almost certainly use it to push him backwards instead of just something to be hit non stop. 

As to Dexxtaa, why not make it so that launching forward to knock them with the shield prevents you turning in either direction, so as a 2her if you have the range you could move to the side and slice as he is off balance?  So basically it could be a weaker kick but with more protection at the front given that there is a massive shield there.   

Again these are all just ideas, I have no idea how the would implement them.  Talking about ideas doesn't hurt anyone though.

All the best,

Ben


EDIT: Just seen the idea about a timer for the sheild to prevent spam. That sounds pretty good, if your by combat and it takes like 10 seconds to regenerate then your not going to want to waste it. Smiting could be the anti-spam attack, breaking heavy spam of you shield to give you a quick break, more importantly it would give shielding a bigger role.

[Madcat]

If there is a shield bash, then 2handers could use something they can counter it with.
Kick could be changed back to it's old form where you can turn while kicking (Assuming kick can be changed)

Edit:
Also I don't like the idea of a timer. 5 seconds is a long time. Better if it's balanced so that there is no advantage to spamming it over and over again

[Beauchamp]

i liked how kick was before, dunno why they changed it completely (at least they could limit it, but not so much like its now).
regarding the shield bash - how it works in that mod i mentioned its totally OP, dunno if there is some way how to balance it. but i suppose there is (for example if the shield bash would be blockable).

[Cyclopsided]

The shield bash works in plenty of mods, it is a bump like a kick.
It hasn't been implemented for whatever reason. It just hasn't. The dev team is fully aware of it.