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What main should I select?
« on: September 12, 2012, 05:23:10 am »
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After getting the hang of the basic combat in cRPG I think it is time to try out Strategus ie. time to select which of my characters to select as main.

When I enter Strat with my main (once selected) it will have the same level and equipment as it has in cRPG, correct?

Should I preferably seletct a char with riding skills and a horse to increase my movement speed and ability to run away in case someone tries to gank me?

What is the best character "class" (Archer, 1-H, 2-H, HA?) and activity to start out with when you first go Strat?

Does Strat work like a M&B single player campaign where I will fight the AI or only human players?

I have read all beginners guides and the Strat FAQ thread but its still quite hazy what you are to expect once you selected your "main". Any info is welcome.
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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 05:51:16 am »
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Shielders and ranged are always needed in strat.

Think of the strategus battles as the single player battles, except every character is controlled by a player. Also, rather than pressing F1 to tell people to go somewhere you have someone in ts yelling at you to do so.

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 06:58:13 am »
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So all I will do is sit in a town and craft and sign up for mercenary battles? What about trecking around on the map with trade goods like in the SP campaign? Do I risk being intercepted there? How close is Strat to the regular SP campaign and how close is it to regular cRPG battles only? Should I focus on doing a character that does well in the battles or one that can take care of itself on its own?

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 09:19:03 am »
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Strategus is far from being like SP, except for the fact that the map is the same.

As far as I know, if you want to use the map, you should join a faction. But, anyway, the fun part of Strategus are battles, for which you really don't even need to get in the Strat map ever.

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 09:34:30 am »
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Selecting a main even if you're not going to participate on the Strategus map is essential if you're interested in leveling up as fast as possible. I suggest you pick the character with the highest level and grind to lvl 31, then retire and sell your loom point and you won't ever have to think about upkeep ever again.

Then aim to retire another two times, and this time trade your loom point along with some of the gold you got from selling the loom point for a +3 weapon(always loom the weapon first!). That way, you never lost a loom point and you even got some cash. :wink:

Repeat the process for as long as you like, most people have everything they want loomed, loomed at generation 9-11, which means they retired 8-10 times.
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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 11:57:43 am »
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I think this answers my questions a bit better: (Still don't know what would be the "best" class to choose as Main.)

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1974769

In its most basic sense, strategus is like singleplayer, just in multiplayer.

If you have ever played singleplayer and traveled across calradia, you should already have a clue on what it is now...

Just like SP, strategus was divided in 2 components: I'll call them Browser component and Battle component
Browser component: (Map overview in SP)

When you are playing SP, you walk around a map of calradia. This map is in SP full of NPC parties, cities and villages. In strategus, things are a little different.
The cities and the villages are still there, but there are no longer NPC parties. Instead, all players that chose to join strategus also makes their own party. This party is then affiliated with this character; the troops and the gold belonging to this party belongs to the character. (will explain troops and gold soon)

The "map" is actually a browser showing calradia. As a party in strategus, you have a couple of acitve and a couple of passive actions. Your active actions (Actions you chose yourself):
Move your party
Attack other players
Enter villages, castles and cities
Join factions

As passive actions, you also:
Scout other players equipment, gold and troops
Scout villages nearby's equipment, gold and troops

If we, for example, take the first action (moving you party), you click the option on the website, and click on a destination. Now, your party will start to move towards the destination, ignoring all obstacles and players (This early strategus was quite buggy). travelling across the whole map took something like 30 hours, so movement was rather slow. You would not be able to see you've moved after some time.

Lets move on to troops, gold and fiefs.
Fiefs are the various villages, cities and castles on the map. Every fief would passively grow both gold and population.

Troops in the game was gathered by recruiting in villages, castles or cities, or by converting population into troops. To recruit in a fief, you would first have to enter it. When entering it, you also agreed to pay the taxes laid upon you by the fiefs lord. After entering, you then chose to recruit troops for no further costs. (However the taxes might sometimes be quite high)
The best way to accumulate troops was by owning a village and convert the population.

Gold was accumulated by:
Playing cRPG (The little gold you gained there was also transferred to strategus)
Working in a fief (This is another option you have to do in a fief, apart from recruiting)
Transact gold from fiefs (Fiefs passively accumulated gold and lords could then use this gold)

So, as you can see, strategus progressed in many ways like a simplified singleplayer, just way slower.

Lets start talking about BATTLES:
So, when you've worked and recruited in a village and grinded in cRPG, you would then soon be ready for battle. You just need one more thing:

Equipment!
Apart from paying upkeep to your troops, this is what you use gold for. For the same price of 1 item in cRPG, you could buy 100 of those items in strategus. To buy equipment, you opened a new page to shop for weapons to your soldiers. Choosing equipment was a big part of strategus. I've uploaded our old equipment guide in the post, go take a look. (EDIT: Didn't work D

Now you were finally ready for battle!

When you chose to attack another player, you would book the strategus server (EU_3) in 24 hours. This time is then used to the final preparations for the battle. You should now see your strategus battle in the front of the character page.

You would then have 24h to prepare a roster for the battle, as well as buying any equipment you've missed. You see, not everyone is allowed to join a battle in strategus. To join the battle, you would have to apply for it on the c-RPG website. When you applied, the party's character would then chose who could join and who could not, for a certain pay. (High ranked players of the same faction could do it as well)

Example: My usual application for non-fallen and non-HRE battles:
Pay: 200 gold
Comment: 140/110 1h and polearm hybrid. Can also do cavalry.

As you can see, its nothing but a small comment and that request for pay. Furthermore, the people who could hire the player (Called mercenaries usually) could also see my lvl.

The characters of both parties then carefully chose their mercenaries to fight in their battles.

24 hours later, the battle would then commence. EU_3 would switch from Strategus_duel to Strategus_battle gamemode. All players were then assigned to teams according to the roster on the website. IE: You would get automatically moved into the party that hired you. If you aren't hired, you stay in spectator.

Then, the battle would commence! The gamemode was then TDM, and your party would fight using:
The players you've hired.
The equipment you've bought.
And the amount of troops you have.

Troops are then "tickets" for the TDM. IE: If you had 200 troops, your team could spawn a total of 200 times.

Battle would then begin, and when one team lost all its tropps/tickets and all of its remaining players, they would be defeated.

Thats the basic mechanics of strategus. Can't write anymore now.

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 12:17:46 pm »
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I think this answers my questions a bit better: (Still don't know what would be the "best" class to choose as Main.)

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1974769

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That info is slightly outdated, but explains the general mechanics really well.

Strat 4 is starting this sunday and it's supposed to have a lot of changes (especially concerning recruiting troops, gold gaining and trade), so just keep a watch on announcements and the strategus boards, and you should be able to figure out most of it. Otherwise, feel free to drop me a PM.

As to what class: Archers and any class with a shield is always good for strat battles. Riding.... not so much. Your skills doesn't affect your map character at all. A guy with riding/athletics doesn't move faster on the map for example. It all depends on your equipment/goods weight, troop number and ammount of horses in your party.
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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 12:21:15 pm »
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mate,  there is no single "most useful" class for strat .  naturally,  cav will be more usefull in battles,  then in city and castle sieges,  whilest its map dependent if they get used in villages.

the commander of the armies buys equipment,  and with a new strat round starting,  you can imagine that equipment is low tier in the beginning and will get better over time,  so you wont be using horses there in the first couple of weeks.

you should use the main that either gives you most fun or the one you can do best with,  personally.  the only thing that could be taken into consideration is using a char that does well with standard equipment,  as that will most likely be provided.

also consider that you get up to 1million xp for a fight,  at least in the strat that just ended,  so retiring is done quite fast.

last but not least,  you should join a clan,  which helps a lot for getting accepted to battles,  as mostly known factionless mercenaries and clan members/friends get accepted.

try getting into one of the more active bigger clans.

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 01:11:16 pm »
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Thanks again for really great advice. I feel like I have a pretty clear view of what Strat. is all about now.

I realize there is no "best" class of course.

I guess my question boils down to how important the SP parts and the Clan battles are respectively? Is that my own choice?

How much time will be spent in Strat. fighting other players in skirmishes when running trade wares across the map and how much time will be spent being a "goon" in one of the large Clan battles?

Should I go for a more balanced character, say 1-H with throwing, to be able to fight hordes of ganking players NPC's in small skrimishes protecting my own little band of NPC's or is it advicable to take a more specialized class like a full archer that will be better suited for large battles? I would like to do both, crafting, trading, what-ever-there-is-to-be-done and of course take part in the great battles. I am just afraid that if I choose a Main that is more specialized I won't be competitive outside of the large battles.

Judging from the anwers here some people seem to only play the large clan battles but I am interested in choosing a character that can play the single player part of Strat reasonably well.

I'm leaning towards choosing my 1 gen. pure archer at level 27. Will this obstruct me when I am not signing up for large mercenary battles? Will this work as a good character for when doing crafting and trading and what-not?

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2012, 01:22:24 pm »
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strat is all about collecting troops and goods to fight for map superiority.  there is no skill needed for trading etc, you can choose whatever char you like and only consider the battles for that.

there is also no real single player part in strat.  although you can trade and collect troops for yourself,  you will not likely be competetive enough to make a difference, unless you team up with other players
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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2012, 01:32:46 pm »
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mate,  there is no single "most useful" class for strat .  naturally,  cav will be more usefull in battles,  then in city and castle sieges,  whilest its map dependent if they get used in villages.

the commander of the armies buys equipment,  and with a new strat round starting,  you can imagine that equipment is low tier in the beginning and will get better over time,  so you wont be using horses there in the first couple of weeks.

you should use the main that either gives you most fun or the one you can do best with,  personally.  the only thing that could be taken into consideration is using a char that does well with standard equipment,  as that will most likely be provided.

also consider that you get up to 1million xp for a fight,  at least in the strat that just ended,  so retiring is done quite fast.

last but not least,  you should join a clan,  which helps a lot for getting accepted to battles,  as mostly known factionless mercenaries and clan members/friends get accepted.

try getting into one of the more active bigger clans.

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A cav player can always grab a long spear and be excellent as a supporting class.

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2012, 01:35:54 pm »
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Just make your main what you enjoy best. If you ever change your mind - you can always retire/respec.

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2012, 09:42:21 pm »
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There's a giant wall of text above me. But all things considered: play with the build that makes you happy. No one will care about you. And every build always has its place.
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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2012, 06:36:07 pm »
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I decided to go with a 1-H, polearm cav guy. I'd figure a knight will be very expensive to maintain and if I understand it correctly you might be able to gain some extra gold from Strat for your main char. I enjoy my foot soldiers as well but I can afford to run them as they are.

Feel free to throw in hints as to what one should start with doing when Strat starts on sunday. I am currently looking for a guild but what are the first moves when one enters Strat for the first time? FAQ and Info for Dummies do not really cover this. Head for a fief and craft/beg?

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Re: What main should I select?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2012, 06:38:39 pm »
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I decided to go with a 1-H, polearm cav guy. I'd figure a knight will be very expensive to maintain and if I understand it correctly you might be able to gain some extra gold from Strat for your main char. I enjoy my foot soldiers as well but I can afford to run them as they are.

Feel free to throw in hints as to what one should start with doing when Strat starts on sunday. I am currently looking for a guild but what are the first moves when one enters Strat for the first time? FAQ and Info for Dummies do not really cover this. Head for a fief and craft/beg?

we all dont know,  cause this strat has new,  secret features : )

you do not gain any gold in strat,  only TONS of xp,  which does help retiering sooner,  getting gold from loompoint selling if needed
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