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9/11 Rememberance thread
« on: September 11, 2012, 06:22:25 pm »
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RIP to those who died on 9/11, and sympathies to the family members of those affected.

Also RIP to parts of the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments.  Shame on anyone who thinks it is acceptable to give up essential liberties in the name of promised security or safety.  Generations of brave men and women have fought and died to protect these very freedoms we so willingly give up.  That is the definition of unpatriotic, and those people are undeserving of those very liberties.

www.nyclu.org/pdfs/eroding_liberty.pdf
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 06:36:33 pm »
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You make a thread like this in a gameforum? That is filled 90% with trolls. :?

I dont make a thread out of every memorialday for people that sacrificed their lives for my country, nor do any  of us. Im sorry, I just dont feel sympathy when it comes to 9/11.

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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 06:39:50 pm »
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I think that everyone's "vigils" and remembrances of 9/11 always leave out the fact that 19 people hijacking 3 planes were able to completely change our country.  I don't even think most Americans realize that their liberties have been eroding since 9/11, "in the name of security".

If it opens up one persons mind who otherwise didn't think about it, then I'd be happy.  And I don't really troll on the forums, most of my posts are either serious, or joking around...but not trolling.  People can troll all they want, I will continue to "shit post".
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 06:42:17 pm »
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the fact that 19 people hijacking 3 planes
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 07:03:27 pm »
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All loss of innocent life is regretful.



U.S. Court Judgment, December 2011 (Havlish v. Iran)

U.S. DISTRICT COURT RULES IRAN BEHIND 9/11 ATTACKS

December 23, 2011

A federal district court in Manhattan yesterday entered a historic ruling that reveals new facts about Iran's support of al Qaeda in the 9/11 attacks. U.S. District Judge George B. Daniels ruled yesterday that Iran and Hezbollah materially and directly supported al Qaeda in the September 11, 2001 attacks and are legally responsible for damages to hundreds of family members of 9/11 victims who are plaintiffs in the case.

 
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/middleeast/20terror.html

Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-us-sept11-tre74k008-20110521,0,4302064.story
 
MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43109738

Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/19/idUS230291+19-May-2011+PRN20110519




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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 07:24:54 pm »
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Oh good we are goin to war with Iran soon.  Well at least I'll make some money.
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 07:29:10 pm »
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Stupid decision Cracka, creating such a thread on this forum where it's 95% EU Trolls. Especially considering a lot of them are tinfoil hats.

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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 07:30:18 pm »
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You make a thread like this in a gameforum? That is filled 90% with trolls. :?

I dont make a thread out of every memorialday for people that sacrificed their lives for my country, nor do any  of us. Im sorry, I just dont feel sympathy when it comes to 9/11.

Your Polish right?  I would be very interested in learning what memorial day(s) you have.  That goes for anyone.   A tragedy is a tragedy no matter what country you are from.


Here in America they aren't so big on teaching/ mentioning other countries and their history. 
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2012, 07:33:29 pm »
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Perfect spot for this

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Btw, patriotism, nationalism and racism have the same roots. I know NA people tend to use patriotism as a positive word for some reason though.
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2012, 07:48:26 pm »
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Your Polish right?  I would be very interested in learning what memorial day(s) you have.  That goes for anyone.   A tragedy is a tragedy no matter what country you are from.


Here in America they aren't so big on teaching/ mentioning other countries and their history.

Ummm, no im not Polish and ummm that wasnt the point. But you can always google when you want to learn moar about history.  :D
But yea....I feel like im in the wrong thread.

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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2012, 08:06:34 pm »
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Well USA had it coming, its called karma, punishment should just have been more severe.
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 08:06:41 pm »
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Ummm, no im not Polish and ummm that wasnt the point. But you can always google when you want to learn moar about history.  :D
But yea....I feel like im in the wrong thread.

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My mistake?  The point was that it shouldn't matter where you are from, if something terrible happens it is still terrible.

Then I injected some personal interest in what I thought was your country.  Because yes google, works but its ALOT of information and you always learn better from another person rather than being inundated with meaningless dates/ clinical information.  Without out a personal touch it just memorization not learning.
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 08:28:57 pm »
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Kafein, you are part of the "problem" actually, your posts always shows a lack of critical thinking and understanding. The Twin Towers are not the main issue either, WTC7 is, and that you some how know better than experts with over 50 years of experience in their field, people who have been rated as the best demolition experts in the world. Why would anyone who is so highly rated, with an amazing reputation, expose them self in a case such as this, and for what? Physicists from the best Universities in the world explaining how physics work and why the official story does not hold water. I would forever and always believe the word of an INDEPENDENT expert, with decades of experience, over some random uneducated preconceived anonymous person on the Internet.


Stupid decision Cracka, creating such a thread on this forum where it's 95% EU Trolls. Especially considering a lot of them are tinfoil hats.

There isn't any sort of "Tinfoil hat" regarding 911, simply HISTORY. (Obviously there are plenty of ridiculous theories, but the main point here is the Experts angle).

Whatever the truth might be, critical thinking is always what should be promoted.

I didn't write anywhere that I support any of the videos linked :wink: I fully stand behind the CIA/Iran videos though, and from a personal standpoint I attribute 911 as backlash for the US' foreign policy for decades. I will however always be vigilant about issues where highly decorated experts with life long experiences dispute the official explanations.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected.  The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

    "The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.


Sounds familiar?

Would Bush reject such ideas?

Would Cheney?

(They both only testified behind closed doors, not under oath, no notes or statements were allowed)



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/world/asia/15vietnam.html

WASHINGTON — In an echo of the debates over the discredited intelligence that helped make the case for the war in Iraq, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday released more than 1,100 pages of previously classified Vietnam-era transcripts that show senators of the time sharply questioning whether they had been deceived by the White House and the Pentagon over the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident.

www.nsa.gov/vietnam/index.cfm



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Image
( Available at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2863861954538932125 )

Enemy Image is a 2005 documentary film by Mark Daniels about the portrayal of warfare in television news. The film focuses initially on the Vietnam War as the first war ever televised "live". During this war the American government allowed reporters onto the battlefield with little supervision or control. The documentary follows the way The Pentagon learned from this experience to control access by journalists to battle areas in subsequent wars, through the Invasion of Grenada (where journalists were excluded completely) to the first Gulf War, where news packages were provided by the military, to the embedded journalism of the Iraq War. The theme of the film is the progressive tightening of control by the US military on the contact journalists have with soldiers and civilians in the war zone, in order that (as the film says at the end) "never again will television raise the moral and political questions that face a people at war."

The film was aired on Canadian television in 2005.



I would recommend people to watch the Explosive Evidence video and then take notice of the psychologists segment in the end where they explain why exactly people quickly jump at uneducated preconceived opinions for then to not change or question them ever again.

To form an opinion, one has to review everything, you have to painfully dedicate time to read and watch and understand everything of importance that is for the opinion AND against, then you can make up your mind, it takes a while but that's life. You do not make up your mind prior to that, nor do you only watch a few minutes of some video/TV-news, read a few pages in a book, and then make up your opinion - that is wrong and uninformed. Yes, life is just like school, you have to sit, read, listen and learn. :rolleyes:
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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 08:49:21 pm »
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Well USA had it coming, its called karma, punishment should just have been more severe.

Because the people that died in that tower were George W. Bush.  I REAAAAAAALY hope this is a troll.

Anyway, I'll be the first reply to actually say, RIP.  Those people didn't deserve that.

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Re: 9/11 Rememberance thread
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 08:51:50 pm »
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Well said, Cooties. Agree 100%.

Critical thinking is somethig that is incessantly taught at my media school, we have delved into many forms of propaganda, sublime advertising commercials, documentaries and movies about topics such as terrorism, consumerism, warfare, the gun-mania in US, religion - pretty much everything that can be questioned, scrutinized and criticized.

Related to today and the thread, I really recommend watching Fahrenheit 9/11. Michael Moore may have a fetish for controversies, but he certainly made me open my eyes about the Bush administration and all the shit they have done. Teddy Roosevelt is probably the only modern president that I feel I can admire, sadly he died before he could see his plan through. I don't remember all the details about his legislation, but what I do remember is that if he had lived for 5 more months, the USA you know today would have looked very different.

I never trust anything I see/hear on the TV, if I am interested in a subject or topic, I read up on it as much as possible and then form an educated opinion. Sadly, questioning the great government in USA is taboo as an American and is generally seen as an unpatriotic act:

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