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Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« on: September 08, 2012, 02:44:56 am »
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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2012, 02:46:23 am »
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Warspear better dueling, Ashwood better for support.

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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2012, 02:48:03 am »
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The warspear burns better.

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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 09:16:14 am »
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double sided lance burns your ass
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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 09:32:07 am »
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Ashwood is gay and expensive but I think it looks coolish? War Spear is good I have heard. I wouldn't know myself because I am bad at this game.

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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2012, 09:56:21 am »
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Have played as warspear hoplite (27-12) for 1 gen.
Here is how I see this:

Ashwood Pike:
Benefits:
- good reach. Not too long, you can still duel (I mean hoplite dueling) a bit in battle, and not too short - you easily outreach lancers and you're also good in a clusterfuck (if I understand this word right :D)
- high damage. Well, it's pretty obvious.

Drawbacks:
- no side swings, which makes duelling (even without shield) harder for you.
- can't sheath. If it's not your main weapon and you have a sidearm, you will automatically drop your weapon on the ground until you pick it up again when switching to your sidearm.

War spear
Benefits:
- good reach. You're far better in duel, because with lower reach you don't have to backpeddle and backjump too much (I mean duelling with shield), you can still kill lancers with a bit footwork and timing, though it becomes a bit risky anyway with only 150. Also you might feel a lack of reach when you support your teammates in fight if you have low athletics.
- side swings. When in battle you happen to fight 1 vs 1, sideswings are priceless.
- can sheath. Though i think you don't need it much, I believe warspear is the best spear for hoplite without sidearm, in that case you won't need to sheath it.
- a bit more speed comparing with Ashwood Pike

Drawbacks:
- Probably a bit low reach for most effective support in battle.
- A bit less damage comparing with Ashwood Pike.


After all, as a conclusion, I vote for str builds (24-15, 27-12) and War Spear

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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2012, 10:22:28 pm »
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I just want to jump in here and say Red Tassel Spear is the best. Especially Masterworked.
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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2012, 10:24:36 pm »
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I just want to jump in here and say Red Tassel Spear is the best. Especially Masterworked.
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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2012, 11:01:12 pm »
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German greatsword beats them both.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2012, 11:03:51 pm »
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I just want to jump in here and say Red Tassel Spear is the best. Especially Masterworked.
Doesn't it have too weak sideswing damage? I'm not sure 2 speed is worth it...

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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2012, 11:11:11 pm »
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Be a man and do Heavy Lance hoplite in full plate. I did that on a STF once and my entire team's infantry knew who they could rely on in the middle of an open field against enemy cavalry.

It's just one of those builds that screams, "Listen to me and follow me wherever you go and you won't die."

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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 11:24:51 pm »
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What was your build lol?
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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2012, 11:30:51 pm »
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MW Red Tassel does 30 pierce, and 17 blunt side-swings.


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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2012, 11:32:36 pm »
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German greatsword beats them both.

Great Sword is better, especially with the new thrust activation times.  Little bit shorter and faster means you can stab in more bullshit ways at bullshit ranges against people without glances.

Though the hoplite fad on NA along with tons of throwers makes being a shieldless class pretty frustrating.
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Re: Ashwood Pike vs Warspear
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2012, 04:09:02 am »
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What was your build lol?

27/12

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quick edit: no sidearm like a boss, not even a long dagger