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[BALANCE] Couch Lance
« on: August 30, 2012, 06:10:13 pm »
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Please change the amount of lances that can couch, it makes no sense that you can couch with heavy lance. There are 2 lances that are specifically for couch lancing, make them exclusively couchable.
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 06:13:00 pm »
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 06:15:01 pm »
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012, 06:25:39 pm »
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2012, 06:53:52 pm »
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Opened a thread suggesting trading couch for old lance angle. I imagine it helping cav vs cav whilst not buffing lancers Vs inf, concidering all the couching these days
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2012, 07:19:26 pm »
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Definitely, the heavy lance is by far superior to these couch only lances, removing the couch from the heavy lance would be a fit nerf for cav and it would fix the internal lance balance. If you want to couch, use a couch lance. Heavy lance has it all right now which is unfair. It's like a greatsword having crushthrough as well as being awesome at everything else. Anyone who disagrees with this must be cav and a heavy lance crutcher. We would get some nice cav specialization.

I also think the cooldown, which is like 20-30 seconds after a couch hit should be reduced, you spend most of your round running circles waiting for your couch to come back. I have a couch specific build, 12/24 and still I do about twice as good with a heavy lance compared to a great lance.

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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2012, 08:39:09 pm »
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2012, 08:53:10 pm »
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I love my heavy lance, and being able to use the couch when there's a heavy infantry who just keeps down blocking my thrusts, or when there's a heavy horsemen who keeps manually blocking my thrust attacks at his horse.  Versus aware people, cavalry lancing is basically useless (unless you can bump-lance, which I've only ever done on accident), both thrusting or couching.  Thrusting people can easily just down block you if they see you coming, and couching they can easily side step you as well.

I personally wouldn't want to see this, as it would be another nerf to the already nerfed lance from horseback, but I think it might be a pretty fair "balance" between the lances. 

To keep this in perspective, I never 1 hit someone with my thrust on my +3 courser riding at full speed, unless they are very weak (low str character) or they aren't wearing a helmet and I hit them in the head.  People can complain about the damage cavalry does, but two points:

1) Damage output goes both ways, if I'm riding fast, I take a lot more damage as well.
2)  I am riding the fastest horse in the game, and thrusting a weapon that is putting that speed, as well as my weight (and the horses) behind it.  That's a  hell of a lot of weight behind that tiny little point that is piercing you.  It is going to do a lot of damage.

I don't think couching is easy mode, or press x to win mode.  The only time it works is against unaware/engaged infantry, or people who are slow and heavily armored (and would otherwise just be able to sit in and open field and down block me until the ends of time).
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2012, 09:29:30 pm »
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I don't think couching is easy mode.

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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2012, 09:37:15 pm »
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It does the most damage in the game (I'm assuming, maybe arbalest head shots would do more), and in most cases is a one hit killer, but that doesn't make it easy mode.  It's much harder to hit someone with my couched lance than with a thrust (aiming-wise) as you have to telegraph that you are couching, whereas I can thrust a lot later, and a lot closer to my target.  It's very slow to try and move the lance from one side of the horse to the other, and if someone jumps directly into the head of your horse, I don't think I've ever been able to move my lance to hit them (it teleports to the other side of the horse's head).

Anyone who's aware of it, is able to get out of the way of a couched lance 99% of the time.  I like to use it versus heavily armored people who are engaged (or at least attempt to use it on someone who is aware of me, and down blocking so I can't thrust and hit them). 

Saying couching is easy mode, is just the same as saying blocking down is easy mode versus cav.  It's way oversimplifying.
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2012, 09:40:34 pm »
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No, it really is as easy as pressing x.

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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2012, 09:45:50 pm »
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It does the most damage in the game (I'm assuming, maybe arbalest head shots would do more), and in most cases is a one hit killer, but that doesn't make it easy mode.  It's much harder to hit someone with my couched lance than with a thrust (aiming-wise) as you have to telegraph that you are couching, whereas I can thrust a lot later, and a lot closer to my target.  It's very slow to try and move the lance from one side of the horse to the other, and if someone jumps directly into the head of your horse, I don't think I've ever been able to move my lance to hit them (it teleports to the other side of the horse's head).

Anyone who's aware of it, is able to get out of the way of a couched lance 99% of the time.  I like to use it versus heavily armored people who are engaged (or at least attempt to use it on someone who is aware of me, and down blocking so I can't thrust and hit them). 

Saying couching is easy mode, is just the same as saying blocking down is easy mode versus cav.  It's way oversimplifying.
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2012, 11:59:19 pm »
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Opened a thread suggesting trading couch for old lance angle. I imagine it helping cav vs cav whilst not buffing lancers Vs inf, concidering all the couching these days

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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2012, 12:03:18 am »
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Re: [BALANCE] Couch Lance
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2012, 04:28:56 am »
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