Add knockdown to Spear/Warspear/Red Tassel Spear

[Tyr_]

[Jarlek]

Give some love to the spears!

Alternatively, make them really cheap like the 2h axes.

Not the best weapons, but good for their price.

[Bulzur]

Knockdown weapons don'tshouldn't have pierce stab.
Nuff said.

Edit : Damn thoses sily weapons.
But they're big sturdy things, so it feels okay. A lance having knockdown is silly.

[oprah_winfrey]

Knockdown weapons don't have pierce stab.
Nuff said.

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[TurmoilTom]

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Owned.

[Sylfirus]

These weapon will become to much OP no ?

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Buff the thrust instead, then buff the thrust more, then nerf the swings.

[Tydeus]

So polestagger gets removed, and you just want to replace it with knockdown? How about we just buff the stats of those weapons instead, especially since this is already being worked on(or already done). No sense adding skill-less RNG to weapons that just lost their RNG gimmicks. More skill, more depth, less RNG.

2-3 speed buff and a 3-4 blunt damage buff, and I'd consider them well reimbursed for the loss of polestagger.

Edit: You really want to give knockdown to 150 length weapons with 95 or 97 speed? Knockdown, so they can hit you once with a swing, stab you on the ground, kick you as you're rising, then stab you again. This combo would almost certainly gib anyone. Terrible idea. The weapons need a buff, but this is just a terrible way of going about balance. They'd be longer and faster than any current weapon with knockdown.

[oohillac]

Make the swings do cut damage?  Some of these spear-type poles have edged heads.

[owens]

double sided lance needs the biggest buff of all.

 With spear type weapons the swing ends up delivering most of the succesful hits but when you compare the usability of a spear to the hafted maces(dildo on a stick) it is very obvious how inferior the spears are. In native warband they are over-powered like everything else but they just arent very good in cRPG against hordes of enemy they just dont have the dps of the more powerful polearms.


I have never used a masterwork one on a server with under 250ping but i can safely say they are not great weapons in their base form.

btw balancing should be modelled on stock items not heirloomed ones.

[spiritus]

lol i am ably to 2 stab 60 armour........ and the sideswings do alot more damage with speed bonuses and if i com up to an enemy with 60 body armour there so slow its so easy to stab them i mean feinting with 9 athletics and 181wpf makes stabb spamming easy especial with a couple smacks here and there, the warspear is an amazing weapon i do the best with this weapon over any other weapon, you just have to be able to use it. Its really long and really fast and does a ton of damage with speed bonuses. I havnt been playing crpg too long but i can kill alot of really good people with my warspear agility build and againt people with lower armour you can 3-5 smack them with 30-50 armour and warspear sideswings are really easy to hit people with especially with a agility build....i mean being able to 2-3 stab plate with 4-5 powerstrike is pretty good i think with an average of 4 smacks to kill most medium armed people i think the warspear is pretty good i mean i 3 smack alot of people just saying 4 becuase that usally the most you would need. And i can 1 hit very low armoured people with a sideswing, speed bonuses are so amazing with the warspear. Dont uderestimate the warspear its an amazing weapon alot of really good people use it sauce,bigsamwhich, etc. slow heavy targets with 60 body armour most probaly arnt going to be smacking alot instead throwing out alot more stabs that will drop you very quikcly. WARSPEAR AGILITY BUILDS ARE AMAZING!!!!!!! abusing your range and speed is one key thing to the mighty war spear and you cant forget that insta-stab.

[Canuck]

Right, well this thread was from last year so we can assume this is a long dead discussion.

[Panos_]

yes please, add knockdown to spears, because spammers like Slicky need it 

[Jarold]

Last time I checked spears were meant to be stabbed with, not swung around like some Jackie chan jr.

[Dezilagel]

War Spear is beast already; there's no need for cheap knockdown.