[HG] Order of the Holy Guard - NA

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Yeah, the armor may or may not bankrupt me.  I've got over 100k so I should be good for a while at least.

I usually die before my shield breaks, so I wasn't sure about taking more shield skill.  However, with higher armor I may be out-living my shield more often so I'm going to test it out a bit and see if I like higher IF or shield.  Thanks for looking it over.

Man, if you could have a viable 1h/xbow hybrid with almost 160 wpf in 1h, that is quite amazing.  We're sure to see more hybrids in the future, I believe.

Shield skill is definitely a crappy investment, with 7 skill, axes still drop it in a few swings. 5 skill at least lets you pick up Huscarls on the ground, which are pretty common. 5 Skill and a loomed shield is usually plenty.

The only reason I'm adding xbow is because my preferred sword is 0-slot, so I figure I might as well take advantage of my 3 free slots. Plus I need something to do for the first minute or so of siege defense. Throwing was fun, but I am colossally bad at it (mostly hitting teammates instead of enemies). Xbow is ezmode. 

[Phantasmal]

Shield skill is definitely a crappy investment, with 7 skill, axes still drop it in a few swings. 5 skill at least lets you pick up Huscarls on the ground, which are pretty common. 5 Skill and a loomed shield is usually plenty.

The only reason I'm adding xbow is because my preferred sword is 0-slot, so I figure I might as well take advantage of my 3 free slots. Plus I need something to do for the first minute or so of siege defense. Throwing was fun, but I am colossally bad at it (mostly hitting teammates instead of enemies). Xbow is ezmode.

Before you add any xbow, I would recommend testing with a skip the fun first. Low proficiency is great for landing close ranged shots, but it can be frustrating at long ranges, especially if you spend a lot of down time on the reload.

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Before you add any xbow, I would recommend testing with a skip the fun first. Low proficiency is great for landing close ranged shots, but it can be frustrating at long ranges, especially if you spend a lot of down time on the reload.

Thanks Phantasmal. I only play siege, so I'm mostly shooting down ladders. I picked up an arbalest yesterday with 1wpf, and killed like 5 people coming up the ladder (this is how I used throwing also, and still missed half my throws with 105 wpf). I have no illusions of sniping people from across the map, and probably won't bring an Xbow when I'm on attack (probably bring an axe or mace instead).

I did like 6 gens of polearm/xbow years ago before the slot change (Long Bardiche+Long Maul+Arbalest+Steel Bolts...haha), usually with <75 wpf. Was plenty accurate for any siege situation, although I'm sure xbow mechanics have changed since then.

Also, this will be in the Armory for everyone's enjoyment:

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[Elindor]

Ok Phew, im reading your IF vs Armor thing...

Before the respecc I was 27/15 with 5 Ath.

I am thinking of going 21/21 and I will have 7 Ath then.
With that +2 Ath I could go up to something around Transitional and effectively be back at 6 Ath after adding the additional weight, which is still faster/the same than I was at 5 Ath in my current armor (Brig over mail, 15.7 weight)

And, at 21/21 (lvl 34) I would still have up to 7 IF as well

Thoughts?

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And, at 21/21 (lvl 34) I would still have up to 7 IF as well

Thoughts?

21/21, plate, and full IF, sounds like a win-win to me. 7PS may not have been enough before, but I have a feeling everyone just got a lot squishier.

I just specced 21/21 myself. San and other 1h heroes are going agility nuts (15/30, etc), but if this 20ms ping jump sticks, it's not like I could do anything with all that speed. As a balanced build, at least there's never a situation where you just have the totally wrong build.

[Elindor]

21/21, plate, and full IF, sounds like a win-win to me. 7PS may not have been enough before, but I have a feeling everyone just got a lot squishier.

That was my thought...

So, with +1 Ath you can run/accelerate the same speed with 7 more weight in armor? (as listed on the website?)

...if so French Pepperpot  Helm is cool...now I just gotta get all this stuff loomed lol.

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That was my thought...

So, 1 Ath = 7 more weight in armor (as listed on the website?)

Yeah, WaltF4 did some testing that showed that. It's not totally linear, but more or less.

EDIT-My build now. Will hit 34 soon and put some points in IF, shield, or agi depending on how things go in the meantime.
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[Elindor]

This?

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According to this it's like 10 more weight, if you go from 18 agi 6 ath to 21 agi 7 ath.

EDIT
Nvm

The increase in run time resulting from a 15 weight increase is approximately equal to a decrease of 6 agility and 2 athletics.

So, 3 Agi 1 ath = around 7.5 weight yes.

[Elindor]

Big question is:

Is 7 PS enough with +3 LS to do enough damage.   If STR crutches are no longer as crutched out then yes...but otherwise, possibly not.

[Phew]

According to this it's like 10 more weight, if you go from 18 agi 6 ath to 21 agi 7 ath.

Depends on where you linearize about. The 7 is linearized about roughly 25 kg. You actually get more bang for your athletics buck with heavier gear.

Big question is:

Is 7 PS enough with +3 LS to do enough damage.   If STR crutches are no longer as crutched out then yes...but otherwise, possibly not.

You can always bring your Morningstar :-)

[Draeth]

im so jelly!

i want a lordly short heraldic surcoat so bad!

kinda hard to see but here is what it looks like in game

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[Phew]

im so jelly!
i want a lordly short heraldic surcoat so bad!
kinda hard to see but here is what it looks like in game

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I'm the jelly one; I haven't even gotten to see the new armors in-game yet They were invisible last night, and I've been at work since. It was a toss up between looming the Short Heraldic and the Heraldic Brig (which looks badass), but Brig is a tad heavy for chasing all these new agility builds around.  Had to trade my axe to get enough LPs for the armor, but I wasn't using it much anyway (the crappy shielders are easy even without an axe, and the good shielders are just harder to fight after you break their shield).

[Draeth]

i think the short surcoat looks the best imo,

the brig makes your guy look a bit fat


also, for some reason with the hofix the lordly armor is still invisible

i can post pics of all the armor in game if you would like?

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also, for some reason with the hofix the lordly armor is still invisible

i can post pics of all the armor in game if you would like?

Yeah, I checked during lunch, loomed new armors still invisible. I do like the Short Heraldic (I was worried, since I loomed it sight unseen); doesn't clip too badly with either my helm or gaunts, which is rare. Although it's not actually "short" at all, it's way longer than the Heraldic Mail with Tabard. I'm glad to finally have a Heraldic armor in the ~15kg range though; that seems to be the "sweet spot" in terms of weight vs. mitigation, but I never really liked the Kuyaks, Brigs, or native armors in that weight range. Luckily I don't like any of the new helms more than my Faceplate, or I would have wasted even more loom points.

Don't blow all your gold buying the new armors, but it would be cool for everyone to see them with the HG banner. You can probably fetch near-store price for them on market if you sell them soon after. Hopefully it stops raining for your screenshots!

[Draeth]

here some pics also there is a hotfix

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here is the tunic
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here is the brig:
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