Archery WPF in combination with bows

[Grumpy_Nic]

Hi!

I'd like to ask some of the more experienced archers (not Leshma  ) in crpg how much wpf is actually needed in combination with 1 slot bows (preferably the tatar or horn bow) to have not too bad aim.
Thx for sharing.

[Miwiw]

Loomed / non-loomed bow? Min/Max PD? Sidearm?

I usually go with the following WPF and like it for short-mid range. I actually never aim for longer ranges.

Loomed with 5 PD -> ~ 135 +
Loomed with 6 PD -> min. 140
Loomed with 7/8 (max for tatar)/ 9 (max for horn) PD -> ~ 150

Not loomed I would go with around 140/50 at least.
Yumi Bow and 2slot bows need more wpf. It of course also depends on your skill.

Note that an Archer often goes with at least 18 AGI anyway. If you take more STR for more PD, you will have less WPF and you will still be fine with 5WM...

"Bad aim" also depends on you. Some Archers are fine with less wpf.

[Grumpy_Nic]

No loomed items so far. I want to make a hybrid archer/melee with 18/18 build.
Which means I want to go 6 PD and 6 WM. Now the question is how many points I got left to put into melee... 2h or pole dunno yet
I would like to play a non-kiting archer, I've tried a 12/17 build with my STF to get an idea about kiting and its fuckin bullshit, feels even worse than spawnraping with cav.

18/18
5 IF
6PS
6ATH
6PD
6WM

These are my thoughts so far, not sure if this makes sense yet

[Leshma]

Loomed with 5 PD -> ~ 135 +
Not loomed I would go with around 140/50 at least.

Loomed bows deal more damage and therefore have penalty on accuracy which means you'll need more wpp for them. What you said doesn't make sense.

[Leshma]

No loomed items so far. I want to make a hybrid archer/melee with 18/18 build.
Which means I want to go 6 PD and 6 WM. Now the question is how many points I got left to put into melee... 2h or pole dunno yet
I would like to play a non-kiting archer, I've tried a 12/17 build with my STF to get an idea about kiting and its fuckin bullshit, feels even worse than spawnraping with cav.

18/18
5 IF
6PS
6ATH
6PD
6WM

These are my thoughts so far, not sure if this makes sense yet

Is that STF?

[Adamar]

between 140 to 150 minimum if you're going to play with a hornbow. More wpf is advised if you're going for long range.

[Leshma]

With 140 wpp and 5 PD you won't kill shit, even with loomed Horn Bow. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

[Miwiw]

18/18
5 IF
6PS
6ATH
6PD
6WM

Put around 80 wpf in your melee weapon, rest in archery. You gonna have enough with a good aim.

Ignore leshma. Practice is more important than theory. 

With 140 wpp and 5 PD you won't kill shit, even with loomed Horn Bow. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

It's possible. And what I listed above is just minimum amount. Always get as much wpf as you can!

[Leshma]

You've been archery longer than, you probably know better. He should listen to you and make this build.

Btw. trading mw horn bow for mw xbow or mw arbalest + gold

[Miwiw]

You've been archery longer than, you probably know better. He should listen to you and make this build.

Well, that doesn't say much though. I aim to play for fun, not to win.

[Leshma]

Arrows flying two meters from where you aim sure is fun

[Banok]

you sure hierloom bow is less accurate? they get an accuracy bonus to counter the inc in dmg accuracy loss, I always assumed it balances out like with crossbows.

anyway the answer to op's question is: as much wpf as possible!!!! I would say at least 150

my archer lvl 30 build was like this;

15 /24
2 ps
5 pd
8 alth
8 wm
8 skills to attributes

50 wpf 1hand
168 wpf archery

hornbow, 2x bodkins, steel pick.

it was very effective in ranged and mele with hierlooms, as the +3 steel pick is OVERPOWERED. 35 pierce weapon still does alot of damage even with 2 ps, and 100 speed means you can not get spammed with only 50 wpf. plus 8 alth means you can facehug easily, also at lvl 31 you can go 5 ps. people would run from me in mele and forget I could just shoot them in the back xD

 only downside was upkeep was worse than full plate and plated charger. seriously!

[Riddaren]

With 140 wpp and 5 PD you won't kill shit, even with loomed Horn Bow. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

You can kill people with less than that, it just takes more arrows...

[Leshma]

Yeah, kill 3 to 5 people per map. I can kill more with any other weapon that can block. I've stopped aiming shots, it's pointless. Now I just spam and hope for lucky hits.

Anyways, this is just a test build to see is hybrid archery decent choice. For me, it's not. Not under current conditions. I need 175 wpp in archery and 150 wpp in 1H to have same results as my pure 2H.

[Grumpy_Nic]

Thx for responses.

No its not a STF character, its my main. The first point of this build is to have less upkeep than a melee build with medium to heavy armour + expensive weapon or cav build. The second point is to have a non-kiting archer. I can live quite well with archers, also with teamhits and stuff. The only thing that makes me rage is this bullcrap-kiting which is nothing else but ridiculous. I want to see if its possible to play another type of archer and still have fun.

I'll go for 140-150 wpf in archery and probably the rest in polearms, ranged + rear horses must work somehow with the correct amount of training & timing.

EDIT: another option would be to go 15/21, as 5PD is still enough for horn bow and will increase the amount of wpf points I have with 7WM by quite a bit, so I could have around 145wpf in archery and something 100ish in melee.