No polestagger, Spears need a slight swing buff

[_Tak_]

On EU rage ball/ DTV they still have the polestagger, on all NA servers too, it would break the game's balance if the spears got buff, but if NA polestagger and EU rage ball/ DTV polestagger gets remove too then they really needs a small buff agree

[Korgoth]

On EU rage ball/ DTV they still have the polestagger, on all NA servers too, it would break the game's balance if the spears got buff, but if NA polestagger and EU rage ball/ DTV polestagger gets remove too then they really needs a small buff agree

NA servers don't have plestun anymore, and other gamemode servers just need to be updated, that's all.

[Vkvkvk]

blunt damange=no polestagger
and I am not shure about pole stagger it look like I still makes some kind of stun after I hit my target

some time ago someone told me then blunt damange flag always remove polestagger.

If I am wrong sorry for that wrong infprmation.

Knockdown flag removes polestagger*

Please, stop spreading disinformation, if there's something you're not sure about, just don't post or go look it up before posting.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Don't buff the sideswings, that'd be retarded, sideswings on spears need to be tiny "what ifs" to stop the guy from just holding downblock, buff the stab instead!

[Rhekimos]

Don't buff the sideswings, that'd be retarded, sideswings on spears need to be tiny "what ifs" to stop the guy from just holding downblock, buff the stab instead!

That would be a buff for the hoplite, mainly.

With polestun removed, I'd like to see the spears become a little cheaper again instead of stronger.

[Tavuk_Bey]

On EU rage ball/ DTV they still have the polestagger, on all NA servers too, it would break the game's balance if the spears got buff, but if NA polestagger and EU rage ball/ DTV polestagger gets remove too then they really needs a small buff agree

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[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

That would be a buff for the hoplite, mainly.

And hoplites also lost polestagger, it'd buff both spearmen 'n' hoplites, and both would be deserved, and it wouldn't be a retarded buff which'd make spears 100% about spamming sideswings but instead it'd actually be about stabbing, as it should be... IMO buff awlpikes pierce damage to 43 (technically you could still outreach them with your gay danish greatswords stab so also give greatswords polearm stab) and buff all other spears by a similar percentage.

[Teeth]

All the 'dueling spears' got severely gimped by the removal of polestagger. The swings are so weak compared to the stab, that the only use of the swings was, getting polestagger on the opponent, to get a stab in. As anyone who has ever used one of these spears will know, people expect the stab, even if they are shit at blocking, they will mostly still block the stab. That is because they know its the only real viable threat to them.

Swings need to get a damage buff, cause this has taken a huge chuck out of the effectivity of spears, and then I'm not even talking about the turnrate nerf.

[Tydeus]

So yeah... trying to think of stuff to write to make the thread bigger...

tsdr; add more words.

[Tydeus]

Don't buff the sideswings, that'd be retarded, sideswings on spears need to be tiny "what ifs" to stop the guy from just holding downblock, buff the stab instead!

Why not do both? Why not add versatility by having the war spear have much higher swing damage and the red tassel having much higher thrust damage. No sense in having two nearly identical weapons.

Edit: Whoops double post!

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Simply my opinion of how spears should work, good stabs, everything else is just distraction, and if someone held downblock forever swings still deal enough damage with their swings to kill him after a few hits.
If you want decent sideswings+stabs get a poleaxe.

[Phew]

Considering that a loomed German Greatsword does 28p at like 200 range (while having 41 cut on the swings), the shorter spears need a massive damage boost on the thrust to have any purpose other than anti-cav. Pike and Long Spear are still very powerful thanks to their reach.

War Spear should be like 31 pierce, at least, and scale all the other spears proportionally. A Long Espada has more reach than a War Spear on the thrust, does the same damage, is way faster, can be used with a shield without penalty, and has better side swings. Why would anyone pick a War Spear over a Long Espada+shield? Rearing cav is all it's got.

[Lech]

Spears are good as they are currently. They can chamber chamber block on them so yeah, they are quite silly (i once chambered one attack sequence six times, so do my opponent. and then he hit me with instastab :/). So the only buff for warspear should be side strike buff after shaft strikes are introduced, and removing  speed penalty with shield (and decreasing damage penalty, 20% would be good spot).

[Zerran]

Rearing cav is all it's got.

Even then, any lance cav that isn't totally new or completely drunk will EASILY outreach any of the spears.

EDIT: Not counting longspear mind you. 

[Korgoth]

Even then, any lance cav that isn't totally new or completely drunk will EASILY outreach any of the spears.

EDIT: Not counting longspear mind you. 

God the amount of times I've stopped a horse but still get hit by the fucking lance in my face and die.