No polestagger, Spears need a slight swing buff

[Korgoth]

So happy days! polestagger was removed.

But now I've noticed that the swing on the War Spear is pretty useless, without the polestagger you can't spam it as well. The War Spear only has 18 blunt damage on the swing which is shit when compared, the quarter staff has 19. I think the swing damage needs to be increased, esspecially because when you swing the war spear you are still hitting with a metal end surely that should count for more damage?

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All the 'dueling spears' got severely gimped by the removal of polestagger. The swings are so weak compared to the stab, that the only use of the swings was, getting polestagger on the opponent, to get a stab in. As anyone who has ever used one of these spears will know, people expect the stab, even if they are shit at blocking, they will mostly still block the stab. That is because they know its the only real viable threat to them.

Swings need to get a damage buff, cause this has taken a huge chuck out of the effectivity of spears, and then I'm not even talking about the turnrate nerf.

Considering that a loomed German Greatsword does 28p at like 200 range (while having 41 cut on the swings), the shorter spears need a massive damage boost on the thrust to have any purpose other than anti-cav. Pike and Long Spear are still very powerful thanks to their reach.

War Spear should be like 31 pierce, at least, and scale all the other spears proportionally. A Long Espada has more reach than a War Spear on the thrust, does the same damage, is way faster, can be used with a shield without penalty, and has better side swings. Why would anyone pick a War Spear over a Long Espada+shield? Rearing cav is all it's got.

[Vkvkvk]

So happy days! polestagger was removed.

But now I've noticed that the swing on the War Spear is pretty useless, without the polestagger you can't spam it as well. The War Spear only has 18 blunt damage on the swing which is shit when compared, the quarter staff has 19. I think the swing damage needs to be increased, esspecially because when you swing the war spear you are still hitting with a metal end surely that should count for more damage?

So yeah... trying to think of stuff to write to make the thread bigger... Ban all Turks and GK! Carpet Ban NA!! chadz is a Donkey! Japanese Weaboo! Panos Pano Panos!!

Not because you hit with the metal part instead of wood that the blunt damage will magically get stronger, it has alot to do with the weight of the weapon as a whole.

Also, just abuse stabs I suppose, they've still got an extremely good stab.

[Adamar]

Please, spears are not hammers or maces.

[Rebelyell]

lol placebo effect....
you are reason why devs ignore that thread...

[Korgoth]

lol placebo effect....
you are reason why devs ignore that thread...

How is it the Placebo effect? I can actually see when someone gets polestvisitors can't see pics , please register or login
uned, now that polestun is gone it makes spamming the spear harder.

Edit: fucking forums and changing words to different words. Polestun auto changes to polestagger.

[Rebelyell]

blunt damange=no polestagger
and I am not shure about pole stagger it look like I still makes some kind of stun after I hit my target

some time ago someone told me then blunt damange flag always remove polestagger.

If I am wrong sorry for that wrong infprmation.

[sF_Guardian]

blunt damange=no polestagger

Exactly. But still guess a slight dmg buff would be okay, like 20 or 21 dmg, especially since the price is quite high for a pole.
(I`m 1H, Huscarl/Dagger)

[sF_Guardian]

Or make it a bit higher like 22 or 24 but cut damage. IMHO you still deal cut damage when hitting with a war spear, just look at the shape of the pointy end.

Devs said something about implementig different damage types for polearms according to your position to the enemy, then it should be blunt dmg of course, if you are too near to the enemy. But as it is now, it should be cut damage.

Not a bad Idea though, hope they implement different dmg types for 1H axes and hammers and some 2H weps like maul too!

[Gurnisson]

Spears had stagger. Weapons with knockdown flag didn't have stagger

[sF_Guardian]

Spears had stagger. Weapons with knockdown flag didn't have stagger

Alright master

[Sarpton]

Also remove speed/damage penalty for using a spear with a shield!

[sF_Guardian]

Also remove speed/damage penalty for using a spear with a shield!

Nah, hoplite is good as it is, I`m playin with a 30/9 Hoplite and Ashwood pike and I even can duel quite okay, everything else would be op.

[Ohayashi]

Carpet Ban NA!

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[Sarpton]

Nah, hoplite is good as it is, I`m playin with a 30/9 Hoplite and Ashwood pike and I even can duel quite okay, everything else would be op.

30/9 is a kind of "extreme" build for a hoplite don't you think.  But hey if you do good more power to you.

[Zerran]

Rather than that, if possible, I'd like to see the 4 directional spears be given an overhead stab. Though I seem to remember someone saying that couldn't be done due to limited animation slots.