Strange Curved Sword that shall not be mentioned may cause Diarrhea of the mouth

[Ujio]

My suggestion is to trade in some speed for some decent Thrust damage.

I think a good way to look at it, is in comparison to the Bastard sword. Both swords aren't so different in terms of weight and length.

So if we were to give the Katana the same stats as the Bastard sword (35 cut, 21 pierce)
And then apply rule such as, the "Katana is a curved weapon, so it should have +2 cut" 37 cut
And the "Bastard sword is a straight weapon, so it should have + 2 pierce" 21 pierce

Then the Katana would have 37 cut 19 pierce
Bastard sword 35 cut 21 pierce

But right now it's +5 pierce to the Bastard sword.

I think 19 pierce for the Katana would be about right

My post from this thread
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=post;quote=507699;topic=33510.15

My suggestion is to give the Katana the same speed as the Bastard Sword, as the weight and length of Katana and Bastard sword is not that different.
And in return, receive some decent Thrust damage.

Katana
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 99
Thrust damage: 19 pierce
swing damage: 37 cut

I'd much prefer the Katana, to be thought of as a Viable weapon, than a Cheap spamming weapon

[Zerran]

I have no real opinion on the issue.

However, +1 purely for the thread name.

[Jarlek]

+1.

Seems ok with the reduced speed.

[Rumblood]

Make it more like another sword that already exists?

I'd prefer the weapons are unique and not just for looks.

Remove thrust from Katana. It just makes you glance and die. Best to not even be allowed to make that mistake!

[Ujio]

They wouldn't be exactly the same. There would still be small differences in Weight, and Length, and the Katana would have +2 Cut over the Bastard Sword, Bastard Sword would have +2 Pierce over the Katana

[Ptolemy]

So basically make the Bastard and the Katana the poor mans German and Danish?

Frankly, while I'd like the Katana to have a thrust attack that wasn't completely laughable, a cut in speed would just make it even worse against those two greatswords in battle (which is a problem since they're the most commonly used 2handers and they dominate already).

[sF_Guardian]

Katana is okay as it is, if not slightly OP.

Thrust isn`t as useless as it seems for most of the players imo.

Just leave it as it is.

[Ujio]

So basically make the Bastard and the Katana the poor mans German and Danish?

Frankly, while I'd like the Katana to have a thrust attack that wasn't completely laughable, a cut in speed would just make it even worse against those two greatswords in battle (which is a problem since they're the most commonly used 2handers and they dominate already).

I hardly think reducing it's speed by 2 points makes it the "Poor mans German and Danish"
It would still have 99 speed, 7 more than the Danish/German Greatsword which have 92 speed

Unless by "Poor mans German and Danish" you mean, the fact that it would have a decent Thrust

[Ptolemy]

What I meant was that they would be related to each other like the Danish and German are: One is slightly longer, one has higher thrust damage and one has highter cut damage and the poor man's version because they would both still be inferior to the greatswords.

[Beat]

Sounds like you want to make these two swords basically equal, with one having more swing damage and one having more thrust.  Would you also want the price of the katana to be reduced?  As it stands now, the katana costs over double the amount of the bastard sword.

I would like to see the stats on the katana tweaked as well but it should remain a fast weapon, no less than 100 speed.  The continually lowered thrust damage is unfortunate but I think the first thing that needs to be changed about the katana is that it needs to have +2 thrust damage when masterworked.  Currently it is the ONLY 2 handed weapon that receives +1 thrust at max rank.  Even the studded warclub gets +2 thrust when fully loomed.

[Lannistark]

Weaboo culture uprising.

[Ujio]

What I meant was that they would be related to each other like the Danish and German are: One is slightly longer, one has higher thrust damage and one has highter cut damage and the poor man's version because they would both still be inferior to the greatswords.

I see, so are you against the speed reduction, or the decent Thrust damage?

Sounds like you want to make these two swords basically equal, with one having more swing damage and one having more thrust.  Would you also want the price of the katana to be reduced?  As it stands now, the katana costs over double the amount of the bastard sword.

Well, I was basically using the Bastard sword as a guideline for comparison, but I suppose they would be somewhat equal.
Yeah I think it goes without saying that the price of the Katana should be reduced.

The continually lowered thrust damage is unfortunate but I think the first thing that needs to be changed about the katana is that it needs to have +2 thrust damage when masterworked.  Currently it is the ONLY 2 handed weapon that receives +1 thrust at max rank.  Even the studded warclub gets +2 thrust when fully loomed.

Yeah it should have the same loom stats as every other 2 handed weapon

[Spa_geh_tea]

Buff bastard sword cut....blades thicker than the German greatsword.

Needs to be more short high damage 2h sword options.

[Ptolemy]

I see, so are you against the speed reduction, or the decent Thrust damage?

I'm not against either, in fact. Since the difference speed makes is somewhat negligable - I can hit just as fast with a greastsword as I can with my MW katana, and they're only 92(ish) speed.

I would love the katana to have a decent stab.

I was just pointing out the nature of your proposed changes, is all.

[Piok]

Make katana speed like hbastard around 97 keep stats maybe + 2 or 3 to thrust.
Then make sec. mode on kata with full speed 103 or 104 without stab but highly reduced cut dam around 23 (+1 for masterwork)
That way could katana break sound barrier without being OP