Does Cav seem OP to you? Discuss.

[CrazyCracka420]

Cav's not OP, infantry's ability to work as a team and use tactics is the where the problem lies.

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[BD_SUPERBEAST]

Seems you both lack reading skills,so i will not continue with this nonsense.

Obviously whinning will continue forever about everything,but that doesnt mean theres nothing that can be improved. That is not an argument. You lack of arguments.

A Danish upkeep is +1k also.
Horses under destrier are not totally crap as u present them.Maybe u dont know how to use a horse and u need a +3 horse to rape a peasant.Gratz.

If you are not able to play cav and still do some money,u simply suck at money management or are using high tier everything all the time.

And if you often run into a group with 5 man which has 2 pikeman,you know , youre not good cav. Are u whinning about pikeman?,whats your point?.


Who in the cav elitism group is against blancing cav between teams?. Man up, just say it and stop using nonsense bullshit to prove nothing.

Ive seen teams with 15-20 cavs and about 5 cavs in the other team plenty of times. And u know what, if those 15-20 cavs are not retarded suicidal cavs, and they wait for their infantry to nearly clash with the enemy infantry,they got the round almost 100% of the time. If youre cav and havent noticed this kind of things. Uninstall. Its not about nerfing cavs.Its about having interesting rounds most of the time for everyone,  dumbasses.

I would not nerf cav ,im not against bumps,im not against bump lancing bump slashing,couching,etc,etc. So if u wanna argue do it properly.

[dynamike]

I can top the scoreboards as both infantry and cav.

That being said, it is much easier to be on the top as cav. The simple reason: more mobility, easier access to "easy" targets.

My cav playstyle as light lancer (courser, only lance, no shield, no sidearm) is high risk/high reward. Either I kill 5-10 people a round when I get lucky, or don't get a single kill when I don't get lucky and I die at the beginning of the round.

All it takes is ONE good archer/thrower/pikeman to nullify me.

[LordBerenger]

Does Herp equal Derpes? 

What they most likely meant is that cav under Destrier are the most used ones and cav over Destrier are rarely used in comparison as armor equals shit.


Also i'm not against balancing cav between both teams but i am against a feature that limits amount of cav per SERVER which would mean that somebody who wants to play their cav char cannot because serv's full of cav already.

¿Comprende?

[bonekuukkeli]

Cav limits per server? No way! If you want such limits, you should add IQ limit in game and make people to read basic tactics guides before allowing them to enter in servers.

If you move around without pike, shield, throwing, bow, xbow or ANY long weapon.... and you want to move around solo or just too lazy to look behind...  can't jump or downblock... you should die to horses yes and it doesn't mean they are OP.

[Vkvkvk]

All it takes is ONE good archer/thrower/pikeman to nullify me.

Defensive counters, you can easily ignore said one "good" archer/thrower/pikeman by just steering somewhere else and go kill the rest of the enemy team by engaging your stealth-hooves drive and hyper-space drive.

[dynamike]

Defensive counters, you can easily ignore said one "good" archer/thrower/pikeman by just steering somewhere else and go kill the rest of the enemy team by engaging your stealth-hooves drive and hyper-space drive.

That would be true... if the "good" archer/thrower/pikeman would not stay with his team. Which is what happens most of the time: segregation is the best case scenario for enemy cav 

[Vkvkvk]

That would be true... if the "good" archer/thrower/pikeman would not stay with his team. Which is what happens most of the time: segregation is the best case scenario for enemy cav 

You can still just ignore the "good" archer/thrower/pikeman that stays with a portion of his team and just kill the oblivious remaining half as there's always a huge portion of the team just totally jacking off and being stupid.

As a cavalry you can pick your battles, there just so happen to be so many easy battles. As anything else, you can't really pick your battles, you have to fight what's there, unless you've got the athletic to retreat (Which will get you shot anyhow), you'll have to deal with what's infront of you and fight it and quite likely die. You can't just press W and run your way to victory.

Certain horses are ridiculously durable too I must say, the Destrier comes to mind with his invisible armor.

Was playing NA_1 on a boring morning and there was this hospitaller guy on his Champion Destrier. A certain round in particular, he got Piked twice while being surrounded by infantry and got to ride away into the sunset BOTH times because of the stupid bump by unknown forces surrounding the horse, or maybe it's only the air displaced by the horse causing shockwaves and knocking infantry away. Cue to 15 seconds later, he crashed right into a wall and got reared surrounded by no less than 9 of us, what happened? Rode away into the sunset of course. Only much later during "MoTF" did we kill him. Keep in mind that was all in the same god damned round.

[CrazyCracka420]

Defensive counters, you can easily ignore said one "good" archer/thrower/pikeman by just steering somewhere else and go kill the rest of the enemy team by engaging your stealth-hooves drive and hyper-space drive.

That's the point.  If people stay near the archer/xbow/thrower or pikemen cavalry is pretty much rendered useless. That doesn't make cavalry overpowered because someone runs off by themselves and makes themselves an easy target.

[dynamike]

You can still just ignore the "good" archer/thrower/pikeman that stays with a portion of his team and just kill the oblivious remaining half as there's always a huge portion of the team just totally jacking off and being stupid.

As a cavalry you can pick your battles, there just so happen to be so many easy battles.

That's pretty much exactly what I said as well 

There are a few notable exceptions, for example Robin Longstride as an archer, he would pick a hill and pepper my horse half way across the map. Doesn't get him kills, but prevents me from mopping up his team. Not many are making this sacrifice, but it's effective.

Don't worry, my paper courser is anything but durable. But I agree that heavy cav gets away with too much at times.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

Seems you both lack reading skills,so i will not continue with this nonsense.

Obviously whinning will continue forever about everything,but that doesnt mean theres nothing that can be improved. That is not an argument. You lack of arguments.

A Danish upkeep is +1k also.
Horses under destrier are not totally crap as u present them.Maybe u dont know how to use a horse and u need a +3 horse to rape a peasant.Gratz.

If you are not able to play cav and still do some money,u simply suck at money management or are using high tier everything all the time.

And if you often run into a group with 5 man which has 2 pikeman,you know , youre not good cav. Are u whinning about pikeman?,whats your point?.


Who in the cav elitism group is against blancing cav between teams?. Man up, just say it and stop using nonsense bullshit to prove nothing.

Ive seen teams with 15-20 cavs and about 5 cavs in the other team plenty of times. And u know what, if those 15-20 cavs are not retarded suicidal cavs, and they wait for their infantry to nearly clash with the enemy infantry,they got the round almost 100% of the time. If youre cav and havent noticed this kind of things. Uninstall. Its not about nerfing cavs.Its about having interesting rounds most of the time for everyone,  dumbasses.

I would not nerf cav ,im not against bumps,im not against bump lancing bump slashing,couching,etc,etc. So if u wanna argue do it properly.

Im not saying cav needs a buff, thats the last thing cav need atm but it doesn't need a nerf either maybe some tweaks but my main point is putting a limit on one class is a really stupid way of trying to balance things out, if one class gets a limit put on it for how many are allowed on per server then sooner or later another class will have the limit put on and it won't do anything but increase the amount of players playing the class that doesn't have a limit.

No I'm not whining about pikes, what im saying is a spearmen and pikemen are there to harass infantry and keep enemy cav away.

Yes having a fair amount of cav per team would be ok but nothing will ever be fully equal, it would be nice to see cav balanced out on teams some times but other times it would be nice to keep it random as it SHOULD encourage people to work as a team, but I forget a majority of random players in cRPG are just kill hungry kids 

I agree with you that nerfing is not the way forward and neither is buffs perhaps tweaking is? I dont know how to "fix" cav like some people are QQing for but I don't see how putting a limit for the amount of cav per server will balance it out

[bruce]

Making a class unable to be played is a bad choice... it would be a shame if being a horseman would be something you can "only" afford every tenth round, or after selling heirlooms (heh). Or subject to limitations regarding how many are allowed, or forcing a lot of town maps.

That said, vkvkvkvk has a fair point about high-endurance horses. They are too forgiving, the +3 horses, even arabian, can survive running into a spear / pike and turn away far too often. Given that you do NOT survive being lanced by one, it is poorly balanced in that regard. As far as I know, the forcefield from blocking is going to get looked at, which is another good thing.

My suggestion is, balance the game around open maps (and give us more of them). All classes (well, ok, horse ranged maybe should remain hard to use) should be playable and should have fairly equal chances to do well on them if played well. There are ways of making cavalry more vulnerable to counters (but less vulnerable to things which are not supposed to be counters), but the class should not be restricted artifically.

Autobalancer trying to balance by class is naturally a good thing; when one side has too many of this or that class stacked (typically, good archers or cavalry) it makes the game not very enjoyable to play, as the natural counters to this or that are not available.

[Strider]

Dam guys why you gotta downvote my post...
I didn't even state that cav are OP. I'm just offering discussions about why people think they are...

[_Tak_]

Dam guys why you gotta downvote my post...
I didn't even state that cav are OP. I'm just offering discussions about why people think they are...

Cav seems OP is what you said. Because of your lovely thread the dev completely make whistle become useless, now none of the horse will listen to whistle anymore, and all of them get slaughtered by horse haters.

[Strider]

Cav seems OP is what you said. Because of your lovely thread the dev completely make whistle become useless, now none of the horse will listen to whistle anymore, and all of them get slaughtered by horse haters.

No. I said "Cav Seems OP?" QUESTION MARK. It's called initiating an oppurtunity for opinions and discussions.
It's not my fault the whistle got removed. Well crap i'll change the dam title if it offends you so much.