Buff alternate mode damage

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

The worst is the secondary mode of 2h, which turns them into polearms (WTF) with less than 30c swing damage.

Halfswording is pretty good if you know how to use it, my guess is you don't.

[Leshma]

The worst is 2H -> 1H. It's a shame, it's the best way to give incentive to twohanders to use shields.

[Jarlek]

The worst is 2H -> 1H. It's a shame, it's the best way to give incentive to twohanders to use shields.

That's not secondary mode, that's just using a 2h/pole with a shield. Not the same thing.

Although I do agree that "bastard mode" and "shield&spear mode" should be buffed a bit too, mainly the speed nerf on them.

And I personally find situations for most of the secondary modes. All the ones that change wpf groups are good (1h --> 2h or halfswording), as are the "cut to pierce/blunt" too. Not usually better, but for ambushes, tincans or situations you think you'll have a higher chance to glance, it's sometimes usefull to change. The ones I don't think are that useful are the pierce --> blunt or blunt ---> pierce secondary modes. Most (all?) of them are less damage, so not very useful unless they give a speed bonus or knockdown. Even then, not that useful.

Although we DO have to realize this is SECONDARY mode and should be less usefull than the primary mode in most sitations. Or as Ptolemy put it:

Protip: If the alt-mode is the better mode, it's no longer the alt-mode, the weapon just defaults to the wrong mode.

[Ronin]

I have said it before, make bastard weapons to be used like a spear (only thrust) when used in bastard mode. Well of course, this should be determined by the player so don't remove anything as bastard weapons are used on horseback with a shield too (morningstar). Let me explain:

The current Longsword:

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Two hand animation - Two hand WPF
weapon length: 106
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 98
weapon length: 106
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
slots: 2

Secondary mode (switched to this mode automatically when equipped a shield)
One hand animation - One hand WPF
weapon length: 106
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 68
weapon length: 106
thrust damage: 16 pierce
swing damage: 25 cut
slots: 2

My suggestion for a Longsword:

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Two hand animation - Two hand WPF
weapon length: 106
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 98
weapon length: 106
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
slots: 2

Secondary mode (switched to this mode automatically when shield is equipped)
One hand animation - one hand WPF
weapon length: 106
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 68
weapon length: 106
thrust damage: 16 pierce
swing damage: 25 cut
slots: 2

Tertiary mode (switched to this mode by pressing x)
Polearm with a shield animation (no matter if a shield is being equipped or not) - Polearm WPF
weapon length: 106
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 70 (this is raw speed. No reduction after that. It is just a bit faster than the spear)
weapon length: 106
thrust damage: 19 pierce (this is the raw damage. No reduction after that. It is equal to the damage that spear has)
swing damage: 0
slots: 2

Really? Is it that hard to understand?

[Jarlek]

The three blunt secondaries that come to my mind are poleaxe, elegant poleaxe and bec, and they all have knockdown on 2ndary mode.

Pickaxe, fighting pick, military pick, steel pick and bec.

Not saying they don't got knockdown, I haven't checked them all. Just pointing them out

[Turboflex]

For the broad 1h battle axe I think the secondary pierce mode could use +1 or maybe +2 buff cuz right now its too low compared to cut to even scale to be better against super heavy plate goons. I feel like a lot of the 1h weapons with alt modes are the same, stuff like military hammer, warhammer, the pierce mode is just too low to be useful in situations where it could theoretically be (mostly against heavy tincans).

[Rumblood]

The worst is the secondary mode of 2h, which turns them into polearms (WTF) with less than 30c swing damage.

I think it used to rear horses, but not certain about that anymore...

[Zerran]

I think it used to rear horses, but not certain about that anymore...

There was a warband update that made it so weapons have to be above a certain length to rear horses (I think it's like 140 or 150). So.... no they can't anymore. 

[Herr_Thomas]

There was a warband update that made it so weapons have to be above a certain length to rear horses (I think it's like 140 or 150). So.... no they can't anymore. 

Yeah it's 140, the Poleaxe was made to be 141 so it would rear horses.

Now that I think about it the poleaxe is the Jack of all Trades.

Bonus against shields, rears horses, blunt mode...

If only it could be used to deflect arrows...