HA - how many agi points?

[buy_dsr]

post patch how many agility points do i need to invest in order to skill up horse archery?

[Braeden]

6

[buy_dsr]

so HA is no longer a viable build?
the new level cap is what now 30?

[Shogunate_Subotai_III]

so HA is no longer a viable build?
the new level cap is what now 30?

youre right boy!

go better for lancer

[cmp]

so HA is no longer a viable build?

HA is a viable build.
Armored horse trampler sniper is not.

[buy_dsr]

i never cared for the trampling its the accuracy that matters and for that 4 HA is minimum unless something positive has been done with archery and that I doubt it
btw the new animation made me furious i had to quit the game real fast 

[Shogunate_Subotai_III]

HA is a viable build.
Armored horse trampler sniper is not.

sorry mate absolute wrong!

Every "good" HA admits that it is broken, and i dont know where you got your information. Its allright that we have no right to judge chadz cause of the patch but plz dont stamp us as idiots its really annoying.

I have played many months as HA and have been considered as one of the Top5 HA and have done alot of Duels against other HA.

So plz stop to act as the devils advocat :-(

[Farrok]

nowadays as horse archer you cant deal damage and cant hit your targets...wow we have a horsie thats it...when you stay on foot you are better in all ways...as horse archer the only thing i do is run over the enemies it do far more damage than with bow and its easier to hit the enemies.

with the new wpp costs and damage nerf you need atleast 5 HA, so 30 agi...impossible


suggestion for (Horse) Archer:

-change Horse Archery to 5 points per agi
(i would like to have it 3 per agi like riding but this would be not balanced anymore XD)...this way you still need many points but can be a horse archer without endless grind past lvl30
(it was hard before to be an HA under lvl31, it was nerfed because of the lvl37+ guys i think...-.-)

-change Bow damage back to pierce(why only bows? they are slower and have less accuracy, crossbow have still pierce)
OR when you want to keep the uselessness against plate than atleast put some points to damage
3-4 points to damage at each bow would be enough


the problem is the overnerfing, hey no Armored HA anymore but "normal" light armored HA now are impossible to make too or better say you can do it but you have only disadvantages...better go crappy foot archer or go xbowman its way better and still didnt need any points

[bruce]

"normal" light armored HA now are impossible to make too

No, they're not impossible to make, they're just not easymode.

[Ujin]

No, they're not impossible to make, they're just not easymode.

They are "randommode", which is not any better.  The current amount of noob cavalry running around trampling people is not any better than 2-3 good horse archers killing people before the patch, either.

[Keshian]

Its pretty basic, dont waste points and you can do 12 str, 24 agi (2 converted pts) and you have 8 riding with 4 HA and 4 pwr drw and 8 weaponmaster all in archery.  With the extra speed and maneuvarability of 8 riding it really isnt that bad at all to be a HA, Ive seens everal people already doing well.  You can even go heavy horse with heavy armor temporarily, just inaccurate shooting (heavy armor) which many HA already were except the really good ones.

[Murchad]

HA is still very viable, light HA is able to survive better due to the rate of fire and damage decrease across the board for archers (xbow is biggest danger)
acurracy is not that bad with 4HA, you can go 5HA if you want still with nomad bow.
i agree that they overnerfed it but i will adapt.

A horsearchers role has changed.
it is no longer godmode like it was

you have to get closer to enemies if you want to shoot them riding at full gallop.
you have to shoot them more times

[Shogunate_Subotai_III]

No, they're not impossible to make, they're just not easymode.

Bruce you tried it by yourself? I dont think so....

yeah and btw we are all a bunch of noobs or what?

[bruce]

Bruce you tried it by yourself? I dont think so....

yeah and btw we are all a bunch of noobs or what?

Given I have my light horse shot out under me by three arrows by any HA I'd say it's not that gimped, you know?

And yes, you probably are, since I see good HAs do well (eg Cris).

[Cris]

HA is a viable build.
Armored horse trampler sniper is not.

Actually...Given real trained HA can accuratly shoot at speed, our new reticule with a "accurate/balanced build" is really bad with this patch...

Level 30 HA. With 155 WPP, PD4 and HA4

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That it's me, zoomed of course, when the reticule is at its "closest" point at full speed...

Compared that before patch I had a perfect reticule at full speed on courser and also had PD6, its a huge nerf. Either damage should be made back to pierce...Or as ive asked before, make HA5 every 5 agility points (this would need a new stat reset for HAs).


P.S since we dont know that the WPP cap is for archery and damage is so low now, I dont think its worth spending all points in archery unless you have sharp bodkin arrows (pierce +6) and possible a heriloomed bow.