Word of the Day Lorn?
I truly believe both of them are in the wrong. Goretooth could've said sorry. Zisa could've stayed quiet after being kicked.
If Goretooth had said sorry, everything would've been fine (which he said earlier in this jumble of posts).
A team hit is 50% reduced damage and Zisa should've been fine with that one hit by Goretooth.
Zisa has known Goretooth long enough to realize he never says sorry when something wrong happens.
After the whole incident, making a thread "die Goretooth" is really uncivilized (I know you were mad but still come on)
And lastly, why would you mess with the guy with the gun ?
It doesn't matter if someone is an admin -- If someone acts in an idiotic way, calling them an idiot is entirely justified. Being an admin, you're asked to moderate the servers from people griefing and disrupting the gameplay experience, but it doesn't entitle you to immunity from people's honest opinions about you, especially when they're justified and called for in the situation.
Saying that Zisa should know Goretooth has, in essence, "always been an asshole and never says sorry" isn't acceptable. As a matter of fact, the inverse is true: since that is a known fact, Goretooth is actually the one who needs to fix things and work on his issues, Zisa shouldn't be asked to deal with people who don't apologize for team attacking and being assholes in general. Admins kick people for team wounding, they kick people for being an asshole, yet Goretooth is able to team attack, not apologize, and use his adminship to kick someone because they said a justified word to him? It's obvious a poor use of adminship.
I have no love for Zisa, I talk shit to him all the time, and I have respect for Gore's playing abilities (and gear), but the mentality of "don't mess with the guy with the gun" is not acceptable, as his gun is there to ensure the server is moderated and people can play on the servers appropriately, not to use for personal reasons. 95% of the people defending Gore are ATS members, which is not only predictable but rather pathetic when the situation is so obviously bullshit and Zisa did what any normal player would do in his situation yet they're acting like he deserved a kick (which he didn't) AND a ban (which he definitely didn't.) If Goretooth would have been attacked in spawn, feinting or no, he would have said "idiot" at best and kicked at worst, yet when Zisa does the same he's kicked? Any sane player who would have been kicked after the situation Zisa was in (being attacked in spawn, not apologized to, and rightfully calls anyone who does so an "idiot", justifiably so) would have been upset after the kick. Zisa definitely was in the right telling Goretooth to relax when Zisa came back to the server -- Most people would have actually raged, yet all Zisa said was for him to relax and he gets
banned?
Zisa acted in a totally acceptable manner, reacting the way most people would have: Being upset when they get attacked in spawn, even more so when they're not apologized to, and then asking the trigger-happy admin to relax after being upset in the first place for the admin's poor choice of actions ("feinting" in spawn).
Saying Zisa did something wrong by "not being quiet after being kicked" is laughable. Adminship doesn't make you above the laws, nor does it make you above the reprisals from other players when you make a mistake in game. Don't mistake "admin" for "god", because that's the sign of a poor admin. A good admin should simply use his powers to get rid of people
griefing and otherwise making the game unplayable for the other players on the server; a good admin uses his powers for the benefit of the average players (of which Zisa is a good example) and never for exclusively himself. Good admins don't kick/ban for people saying justified reprisals to them, good admins don't go on powertrips and ban/kick people who disagree with them and use the "troll" justification. This situation shows the admin powers being used exclusively for the benfit of the self, and not in keeping with the best interest of the average player, and anyone outside of ATS's private circle can see this.
It would be one thing if anyone could host a CRPG server, but that is, in fact, not the case. It is difficult to be allowed to connect to the database and run chadz' mod, yet when ATS was granted the right to do so, even the owners of the server and admins should be held accountable by a higher power (chadz) if for no other reason than us players have little other choices to go to. The poor adminship is runing the CRPG experience when the feeling of the server is usually that of the Third Reich and not of a server where admins are looking out for the good of the general player base, and this is the perfect example.
I like Goretooth, but in my dealings with him as an admin in the past, he uses his admin powers as more of a right than a privilege, using them as a personal sword for himself rather than a general shield for the public. I've seen it happen quite a few times, but this is a perfect example of abuse.
