Decrease horses speed and maneuverability with riders weight

[Kato]

Nothing major. Do a horses with heavy armored riders little slower.

It looks good from balance and also realism view to me.

[Bulzur]

What do you have against tincans on horses ?
Let it be, it's a necessary money sink.

Or did the well-known 1h-steel shield armored cav tincans twins roaming eu1 killed you too many times ? They're tough fellow indeed, but for the sake of economy, i'll let them be.


Though on a realism point of view, if the horse is already carrying 100kg, i don't see how carrying an extra 10kg can change much. Also, if you're counting armor, you should also count the weapons weight, and shields.

[Miwiw]

Most tincans wont choose a light horse anyway. They also prefer heavy horses which are slower already, so if you slow down the horse because the player wears plate it wont change that much.

[Thomek]

The horse-lobby is strong.

[bruce]

Because people are asking silly things, Thomek.

I don't care to incentivize 10 riding light armour greatlancer, nor do I care to incentivize 8/30 horse crossbows, nor do I care to boost horse archers; why do you want that?

There are many sensible suggestions for nerfing horses, starting with their huge amount of HP you should remember the times when palfreys and such had ~75 hp-90hp and sniper crossbow was 120p, archery was almost 2x the damage, and now light horses have up to 115 hp).

[Kato]

I think its not exactly balanced, that wearing heavy armor on horse havent any disadvantage other than price. (what is not problem whatsoever for veterans)

Its good protection against range for rider and when rider is dehorsed often save his life.

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so yeah, this is another nerf cav suggestion, but doesnt remove any skill options or damage from cav 

[bruce]

I think its not exactly balanced, that wearing heavy armor on horse havent any disadvantage other than price.

Why do you think it is good balance to boost horse ranged?

[CrazyCracka420]

I'm a 9th gen cavalry player, and while I generally disagree with nerfs I think this is something that makes sense.  The heavier the rider, the slower and less maneuverable the horse will be.

This is common sense.

One other nerf I'd suggest is that horses have a stamina bar, just to make it so you can't ride at 100% full speed all the time, but this would really fuck over horses in the lower 40 speed range (basically all the fastest horses except for a courser).  Going from riding a courser to one of these horses feels like I'm riding tricycle. 

But I'd go one farther and implement stamina for everyone.  Almost every game has some form of stamina, I can't believe a game where you're swinging around weapons doesn't have it.  I would suggest very minimal change to the game, but make it so that super heavy weapons or spamming weapons would drain your stamina eventually.  Also then I'd suggest you drop the hard cap on item difficulty and allow any weapon to be picked up, but you take a huge hit to stamina if you swing a weapon heavier than the minimum difficulty level.  Also you would lose damage and speed if you don't meet the default difficulty requirement.   I should be able to pick up any throwing weapon, that doesn't mean it should be accurate to throw.

[bruce]

As long as you're on a horse which can support your weight properly (eg. an armoured knight on a destrier or warhorse), the difference is going to be miniscule realistically.  A nerf to armoured knights on heavy horses is senseless from every perspective, and chiefly from a game balance perspective.

Light horses being ones where encumbrance matters is something which is somewhat sensible, but for a gameplay perspective, this is a buff horse ranged thread.

[Ujio]

Good idea, I like it

[Zerran]

Fix blocking forcefields on cav and I'll have no complaints about them.

[Tomas]

this is a buff horse ranged thread.

How?

The natural counters to Horse Archers/Xbowmen are other ranged (either cav or foot).  Therefore the relationship between Ranged Cav and their counter classes will not be changed at all by this suggestion.

You have to be up against an incredibly bad (or low level) HA to have a chance taking them down 1 v 1 as Heavy Cav and this suggestion will not change that fact.

[Tydeus]

Had a conversation in irc about this, which prompted me to do a little research where I found this link: http://www.goto4winds.com/horse/weighthorse2.html

Just looking at the effects of 20 lbs on a lighter horse (1080 lbs, equivalent to a Rouncey?) switching out a 110 lb rider for a 130 lb rider only nets a ~1.6 % speed loss. Considering the weight of wearing the heaviest armor to nothing at all, you still wouldn't see much of a speed loss. It's only when you add in a 200 lb rider and plate for both the horse and man (add about 200 lbs), where you would really see any sort of change.